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hello and welcome to paranormal

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mysteries here on access Northwest

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community radio here in lovely Liverpool

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tonight my guest is Gary Jones who has

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been a guest before talking about the

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Pentek incident with UFO witness Kaz

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Clarke today we're going to be talking

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about another incident which happened in

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North Wales in a place called Denby the

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incident is now referred to as the Denby

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light Gary recently produced a video of

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his investigation which I watched this

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morning and I have to say I am extremely

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interested the Deborah lights incident

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happened on the 3rd of January 2012 and

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will witnessed and filmed by teenagers

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living in the area from their bedroom

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window in fact the whole family witness

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this event and Gary is gonna walk us

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through his investigation welcome to the

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show Gary again

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no worries I have to say the video

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you've put together is excellent it's

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really well done I'm impressed by the

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production values of it very smooth and

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also extremely interesting and I think

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the investigation that you've done is

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pretty thorough I don't think there's

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anything I could have thought of but I'm

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not actually a field investigator

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obviously I don't I don't really

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investigate UFOs but I am I do have an

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interest because of my sightings and

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obviously my most major event was

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including kiri oak in North Wales which

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is about 27 miles away from where this

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happened so obviously you know my

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interest is piqued because that whole

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area is just rife with activity isn't it

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oh yes North Wales is definitely a hot

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spot for UFO activity and one of the

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more well-known cases now is the barren

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mountain so there as well obviously but

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I think don't be lights will certainly

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add to certainly add to the folklore if

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probably in about 2012

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maybe 2011 we won't know it was 2012

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because I was going to film for that

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going back to Queen Carrie Agra for the

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first time to film the area

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you know just kind of like there will it

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all go back to the placement of a

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pilgrimage kind of thing and we went up

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the is it the arm and when we got to the

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table at the top there was this kind of

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thing where you every photograph taken

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in Victorian dress and so we did that

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for a laugh what through to the Pope to

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wait for the photos to be you know

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finished being printed and whatnot and

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there was like a little UFO room and it

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was have you seen a UFO blah blah blah

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have you been abducted by aliens it was

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a great big metal you were falling from

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the ceiling and all kinds of stuff going

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on because Wales is that rife with

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I will say this if you live near the

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coastlines of Wales or in their southern

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I mean the three major hotspots that

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I've identified is like the Denby area

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of North Wales Swansea and the Brecon

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Beacons those the areas which report the

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more sightings that that's probably

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maybe because people are looking for

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them or you know your own areas where

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there's not really much else that could

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be explained as something strange but

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rife with activity but before coastline

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of Wales has definitely got Satan's

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coastline seems to be the best spot best

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places to spot them after what happened

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to us run away from Wales you know I was

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really scared to even go back there it's

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quite funny because where we were he's

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only like 20 miles away from as the crow

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flies obviously it's a lot longer if you

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traveling by Road you know it's like

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silly for me to be scared of Wales when

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literally I'm in Liverpool

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it was just across the water from Wales

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yeah you know so where I was was four

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miles away from Berwyn which I had no

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idea and so we went back that day you

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know so it is literally like absolutely

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crazy out there and obviously because

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there's not a lot of the villages are

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you know spread apart and there's a lot

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of areas where there's just nothing

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going on at all there's nobody living

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there and so there's not a lot of light

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pollution there's not a lot of air

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traffic there's not a lot of things

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where you know you would look up at the

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girl that's that you know because

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there's just nothing going on out there

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so if I think maybe because of that it's

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more noticeable when something is going

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on yes it's a very secluded area where

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10 B is but as you say it's a lot of

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villages and towns there's no major pop

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populations there's all major cities

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there really except for one or two areas

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but what's the time it's pretty quiet

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and a lot of open farmland and mountains

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so yeah last time I went there we went

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camping in Bala and I was sat at the

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bonfire and I looked up and exactly

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where I looked when I looked for saw

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three flashes of light did you see in

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the paper well I came across it online

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actually um last year in April I was

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getting ready to go just to not Wales

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was Swansea UFO network yes and part of

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the things we were gonna do we were

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gonna interview a number of researchers

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and we were gonna pay a visit to our

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family which will be which is the worth

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the family now in Danby and I saw the

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video that they originally talked it was

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uploaded online I'd look at it and I

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could tell straight away something was

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very unusual there I mean I've seen

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enough things of my time to know you

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know the difference between your

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standard your standard lights and

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vehicles and explanations given and this

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just had no explanation I could see at

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the time and the more I looked into it

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yeah I mean I was very interested in

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when we went to North Wales you went to

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see Gary row when see Margaret Margaret

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Frye Scott Felton and a few others and

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then we went to visit this family on our

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last a last leg before we went home and

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I got talking to them we had a look

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around the area briefly and I was like

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well you know what's up here boys you

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know there's nothing yeah but trees and

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mountains you know it's nothing there's

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no electrical cables around there

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there's no normal visible in the

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distance kind of buildings but obviously

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that's just my general was my general

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basic feeling at the time my

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observations and I said I would look

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more into it so when I had a chance I

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stopped once I got back and I finished

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all the other videos I needed to sort of

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edit and put together the interviews we

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did I started looking more into this

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alongside the Pentek UFO incident and I

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could tell you yeah you know there was

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this definitely there's definitely

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I've been cars or something traveling in

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the distance but as I walked the area

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I've been around that place and there's

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just nothing there there's no road

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access there there's one or two roads

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alongside er fields but unless they were

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going up and down all around for ten

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minutes I mean what were they doing

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there you know yeah farmer doesn't work

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then obviously we'll get to get some

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more of that as we go I guess that day

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as well wasn't it yes the nighttime

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weather was absolutely abysmal forum any

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kind of outdoor conditions you got fast

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winds heavy rain torrential downpour at

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times and I understand the temperature

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wasn't too clever either you know you

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talking just a few degrees of this

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website today to see what the you know

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what the weather was like there and it

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said that there were winds of 81 miles

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an hour so nobody will be out there

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doing any kind of work you know the

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several no you would not be you would

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not be working or playing or having a

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fireworks you know you know

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do you want to get into that first what

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they if we sat at the beginning and then

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we won't run away with our eye what's up

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with you know the family and how they

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come to see it and then we'll get into

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all of these suggestions that are being

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put fast which when you can look at the

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case itself properly Sascha then all of

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us just seemed ridiculous so let's let's

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start how they came to see what was

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going on well okay yeah it was January

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3rd and it was just after 3:00 a.m.

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Nathan was in his bedroom he was

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watching a his television and unaware of

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anything except the bad weather outside

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he heard a noise and as he got to his

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window to investigate what the source of

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the noise was it's his big big rubbish

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bin I've been blown over but as he

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looked into the distance you know he

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noticed something flashing caught his

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attention and he looked around to see if

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maybe it was something something

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reflecting on the window some light

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source on his wall that was reflecting

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on the window and he quickly determine

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it wasn't anything that could be you

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know could be coming from his house he

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looked out into the distance and there

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it was you know these flashing lights

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and he some moments later I went to go

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wake his brother up Alex who was just

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trying to get a sleep at the time but

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then he told him you know come and see

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this I think I think he used the words

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as a UFO hot saw hit or something maybe

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said it to Kira but they said there's

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something very strange Alex came to look

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and yeah you know once he saw as well I

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was like you know oh my god what is that

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and then some they started filming I

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mean a few minutes later they went to

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get their mother well then they were to

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get Kira and the four of them for that

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duration of that tank we're all watching

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it and video recording it and you can

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tell you know that when you listen to

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the video and I've put the subtitles in

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as well you can tell you they're not

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looking at anything

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hmm excuse me they're not looking at

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anything that would normally be

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associated with the fields or like

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tractors or farmers or people lamping

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you know they know

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area lived there all their lives so this

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is why they were so amazed by it all it

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was quite crazy-looking thing you know

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obviously when I saw it I saw the houses

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and I thought well at the back of the

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houses it must be a road it looks like a

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roundabout maybe there's been an

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accident

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and that's why whose lights are flashing

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I thought well maybe that's a police car

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you know like I've seen footage before

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that people have tried to pass off as a

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UFO and it was actually around about and

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that's why I said I've seen this before

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I've seen something like this before

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it's around about but you've actually

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been there haven't you you've I've been

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there twice I understand there's a

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quarry over to the right of the forest

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which is some distance to the right of

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where the family are viewing it and

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there's a forest area there are some

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cave systems I think a bit further

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closer to the road by I didn't look at

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those particular areas I know I drove

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past them but I didn't go in there

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because well you know I'll just he just

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wasn't have anything of interest at the

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time but maybe want to go back I'll have

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a look but I mean it's just open

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farmland trees forest lands you know

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some areas where the farmers growing

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food or vegetables and you know there's

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nothing there this there's a golf course

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over to the far left the club is there

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far left and the course is just next to

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the forest but 3:00 a.m. oh unless you

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know unless the Golf Course had flood

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lights or you know big big well-lit

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areas you know no one's gonna be playing

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golf this time the night especially on

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81 mile an hour winds unless the winds

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behind you you know you can hit 100

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yards right you know like sausage after

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beyond some sort of vehicle and they'd

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have to be driving around in a circle

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there'd be several I mean how many

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lights were there we counted them they

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looked to be about nine at one point

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from what I can tell

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I mean I've described it as a

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disc-shaped object or a saucer-shaped

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object but the way that like to come on

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sometimes it's almost like if they flash

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more on the right and they flash more on

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the left and then they light up

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altogether

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you see smaller ones and bigger ones and

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maybe some underneath and on top you

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know the red one being particular if you

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watch the video I don't like I have

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because I've studied it pretty pretty

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thoroughly there are you know there are

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pixelation of light in there but where

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the red past the flash up I think that

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is the top of the dom structure that may

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be it I mean I just you know when people

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ask me you know what what do you think

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it as I said look you know I mean I've

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looked at all the usual explanations

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I've done quite a bit of analysis myself

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you know and I know what I'm looking for

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and you know it's unidentified aerial

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phenomena I prefer to use that word no

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actually because it's small it's more

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accurate and descriptive than a UFO

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because anything could be an

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unidentified flying object with say yeah

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oh man our aerial vehicle and you know

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it tends to define it down more to find

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it down more fairly as I say and it does

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seem to be like he can just about see an

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outline and there is a red light on the

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top and that's like a red light on the

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top so that kind of looks like they

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around either the bottom or the middle

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what's it going to say now that

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screenshot was taken by um David

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Williams the next-door neighbor he

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didn't see the event but he said about a

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week or two before he did see something

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similar in the fields it's in the video

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that I made yeah but what's interesting

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is how he managed to grab the screen

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capture because there's some excuse me

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photo editing or image capturing

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software on an iPod that they had yeah

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and he played the video through that and

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he just sort of like screen captured one

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particular moment and then he enhanced

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it and lodged it in Houston in Laos

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until eventually he got what do you

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solve it and I wasn't going to use it at

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first I wasn't going even I wasn't going

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to use it because I couldn't

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fi the sauce yeah but then when he when

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he started to into when I started

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interview him and the family told me you

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know this is the person I said oh great

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I can no I know where it comes from and

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how you manage to do it you know that's

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so that's going to be useful there's a

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the the picture that I show there is one

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red light on top but there's a red light

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at the bottom but that's not part of the

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actual thing I think that's just

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somebody took a photograph off the

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screen yeah I thought it was like the

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bomb actually but when I started to

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review the tape more thoroughly it's

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just somebody who's recording off a

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different camera but yeah I mean the

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rest of it the blue lights and the red

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light on top and the dome-like structure

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and I would even say it's kind of like

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more I'm flat underneath and dome like

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on top accounts like a cake little

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cupcakes no the [\h__\h] basement like on

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top of the cherry again maybe a little

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more stretched up but I mean I tried to

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do my own image capturing I tried a

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number of things you know my mom an

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image analyst or a specialist in that

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area but I mean I couldn't get anywhere

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near what he had so we've the software

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is something special on the iPad or it's

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just a way that it I was just gonna say

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though I mean two things that you can

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see is the red light on top and you know

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the lights match up to what he's got

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underneath so you know that's definitive

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as far as I'm concerned it's not it's

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not small I mean I am matched up the

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left the furthest left light I could

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find in the farthest right light I could

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find on the video and I use those as my

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guides to measure its width and judging

398
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from where the windows were of where

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sorry where the window was I went on

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Google Earth and I just sort of lying

401
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all up and obviously I think I've got I

402
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think I've got it pretty pretty pretty

403
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much accurate I mean the further you go

404
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out the Lighting's obviously get worked

405
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further and wider apart I mean I reckon

406
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it's probably about a hundred odd feet

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maybe close to 100 feet yeah I mean Alex

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who gave me a statement you know he

409
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reckons it's about 70 to 100 feet so I

410
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use that as a bait my my

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that's my baseline if you will but I

412
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mean if the further it goes back the

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white is gonna get so if it's up by the

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the woods crest woods you know you're

415
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talking you're talking maybe five six

416
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hundred feet across you know I mean so I

417
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don't know what they call it a carrier

418
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or a mothership or something but you

419
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know if it's like a hundred feet it's

420
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more like a scowling ship some people

421
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call it so the craft that we saw was

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moving over towards Liverpool actually

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and it was really far out now I have no

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idea of distances and how far you can

425
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see in the horizon and I assumed that if

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you were higher up the firt you'd be

427
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able to see further but I don't know if

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that's the case or not but I thought

429
00:19:04,860 --> 00:19:03,250
this thing must have been like 20 miles

430
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away but someone said no you can only

431
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see about four or five miles on the

432
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horizon so I was like right okay so

433
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that's how far away it was it was moving

434
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off to our right so it's going away from

435
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us and it stopped and it zigzags over to

436
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us it didn't move in a straight line

437
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it's exact back and forth back and forth

438
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until it got to be over the field in

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front of the house and then drifted over

440
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to be over the house and over us so I

441
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estimated that what we could see of the

442
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underneath of the craft when it was

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right over us the central circle of

444
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light and there was these lines of light

445
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going out around it so it looked like

446
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the underneath of a mushroom if you pull

447
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the stock out maybe like seven lines of

448
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light and they were rotating now I would

449
00:20:00,480 --> 00:19:56,770
have said that that would have been 70

450
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60 70 feet across that much that bit but

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when it was coming towards us

452
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because it was in the clouds as well and

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the light was coming off it it was

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rippling the lights will ripple him and

455
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it was oh it was rippling over in the

456
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distance because I thought it was

457
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lightning you know how lightning

458
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flickers yeah even be able to

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guesstimate I was looking from 11

460
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o'clock to 2 o'clock to see the whole of

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it you know and Steve reckons that it

462
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was about a mile across that I thought

463
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that I saw a red light on top of it but

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that was in when it was over the field

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in front of us and we were telling the

466
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kids it's all right don't worry it's

467
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just the lights of a farmer's tractor

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shining off the underneath of the clouds

469
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you know anything but what it is like

470
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exactly just excited to get nervous

471
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after a while but at first it was very

472
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because my head but for years and years

473
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I've tried to bury it I tried not to

474
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remember it it tries to escape here do

475
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you know I didn't want it to have

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happened so I tried to bury it and now

477
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I'm like I did say before that there was

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a red light on the top but because it's

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quite a vague memory I wouldn't say that

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there was definitely was but when I saw

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that I thought oh the lights actually

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the rippln because I mean I asked them

483
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but the lights and how they appeared

484
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they don't seem to UM flash upwards in a

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strobe or a beam they seemed to be more

486
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like the opposite that they seem to the

487
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light source goes into the second sort

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of sort of body rather than out you know

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I mean yeah this was this was like of

490
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the brightest brightest light ever but

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you could look at it and as it came and

492
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as it landed on you know touched people

493
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the walls everything it was actually

494
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blue but it appeared to be bright white

495
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but like say and it wasn't like

496
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it expects it on you see in these

497
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cartoons or whatever you when you see a

498
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beam of light coming down it wasn't like

499
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that just everything was just glowing

500
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this tinge of blue from the light but

501
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yeah that's something Kira described as

502
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well she's like showing me the way the

503
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lights way you talk about rippling

504
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mm-hmm

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she's like you know I'm like rippling

506
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like fluid like water you know I think

507
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if you see lights under the war zone you

508
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see it on the surface I'm ripple effect

509
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but yeah I mean you know details like

510
00:22:56,659 --> 00:22:55,480
that certainly um so they make you

511
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wonder you know because I don't I mean

512
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lights on most aircraft or drones are

513
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pretty much brighten in your face you

514
00:23:05,789 --> 00:23:03,570
know what I mean you know they're very

515
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very the light source is very

516
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brightening up but they don't act like

517
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flute or underwater or ripple or

518
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anything you know I mean the lights

519
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themselves are a very unique feature

520
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this video but just everything else

521
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about you know the shape the size like

522
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when they was coming towards us it

523
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looked like lightning in the clouds when

524
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it was coming because it was like

525
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rippling out the light seemed to have

526
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rippling out sideways but because of the

527
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different densities in the clouds you

528
00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:36,760
could see like brighter lines you know

529
00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:39,940
yeah if you shot at Archer really heavy

530
00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:47,500
duty talked through mashed potato that

531
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:55,000
was probably quite a good disguise as

532
00:24:02,879 --> 00:24:00,159
well and they yeah it just wasn't like

533
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:02,889
you know you see in aircraft sweetly

534
00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:04,690
from the flight line when you see an

535
00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:06,340
aircraft and it's coming towards the

536
00:24:11,549 --> 00:24:08,260
airport and it's on a night they do have

537
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headlights you could actually see like a

538
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torch beam yeah but this wasn't because

539
00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:25,960
I mean the lights just quickly I mean

540
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:29,230
the other case of a the Phoenix lights

541
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:30,230
of Arizona

542
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:33,530
oh yeah um you know a lot of people talk

543
00:24:36,970 --> 00:24:34,850
about the lights there that they don't

544
00:24:39,490 --> 00:24:36,980
seem to shine any sort of they don't

545
00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:39,500
seem to have an external brightness to

546
00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:41,630
them they seem to be inside the actual

547
00:24:44,860 --> 00:24:43,309
light source itself you know it's like

548
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:44,870
they don't give off any strobes or

549
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:47,330
beings or you know illuminate the area

550
00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:49,929
around them it's just inside you know

551
00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:51,980
interesting interesting description of

552
00:24:56,020 --> 00:24:53,990
how people talk about the lights you

553
00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:56,030
know the lights are inside the actual

554
00:24:59,140 --> 00:24:57,799
light it doesn't give off any you know

555
00:25:02,560 --> 00:24:59,150
it gives off a source but doesn't like

556
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:02,570
or illuminate anything around it like us

557
00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:04,010
the word I was looking for yeah I mean

558
00:25:06,970 --> 00:25:05,480
when you switch a light on in a darkened

559
00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:06,980
room I use China torch on something you

560
00:25:10,930 --> 00:25:09,470
know it creates that spot of brightness

561
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:10,940
and then everything else around it gets

562
00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:12,020
illuminating to the light sources

563
00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:16,190
diminish but it's the case yeah you know

564
00:25:19,450 --> 00:25:17,960
that's something people need to

565
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:19,460
understand you know the lights on the

566
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:21,049
actual thing and nothing like you see on

567
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:22,910
normal aircraft or drones or anything

568
00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:31,790
else you know I think that's maybe why

569
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:34,190
people suggested it was people lamp in

570
00:25:44,850 --> 00:25:35,929
but you'd have to be completely out of

571
00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:48,789
well I'm not talking people down on this

572
00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:51,080
one but I mean can I just suggest and

573
00:25:53,890 --> 00:25:52,460
stick with that I mean you know you'd

574
00:25:59,500 --> 00:25:53,900
have to be on a heavy dose of ignorance

575
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,510
or stupidity lens to try and show that

576
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,760
this is not what we normally think it is

577
00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:03,679
you know I'm not I would say the UFO

578
00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:05,150
community at large is the most heavily

579
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:12,159
critical of the wrong things I think

580
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:14,150
after a while when you've been in it and

581
00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:16,070
so many things turn out to be absolute

582
00:26:19,539 --> 00:26:18,200
rubbish you just like that rubbish

583
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:19,549
probably like I did

584
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:22,460
I totally dismissed all of it because I

585
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:24,770
said ìlook took one look at it for maybe

586
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:28,340
30 seconds and my conclusion was it was

587
00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:31,820
around about by you know not interested

588
00:26:37,910 --> 00:26:35,230
it's it's nothing it was a good

589
00:26:40,790 --> 00:26:37,920
absolutely

590
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:40,800
no but at least I can say that I was a

591
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:50,700
little bit wrong there so now you know

592
00:26:55,940 --> 00:26:54,300
we put this video together Dave you need

593
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:55,950
to watch this this is amazing and I've

594
00:27:00,500 --> 00:26:58,170
sent it so a few people like because

595
00:27:02,540 --> 00:27:00,510
it's not any of the things that anyone

596
00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:02,550
would say and you know we are very

597
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:06,150
dismissive and critical but at the same

598
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:10,050
time the UFO scene is full of crap it's

599
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,270
polluted with rubbish and these high

600
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:17,700
profile people who just spew out this

601
00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:22,050
crap and then people like you completely

602
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,580
ignored for this kind of show busy

603
00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:27,600
celebrity culture vulture thing that

604
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:31,560
goes on that's not why I dismissed it I

605
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:32,820
dismissed it because I think I know

606
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,190
better than anybody I have seen

607
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:40,320
something like it and I thought and it

608
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,090
did turn out to be a roundabout in the

609
00:27:46,820 --> 00:27:44,880
distance and so obviously I was like

610
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:46,830
that looks like that that must be that

611
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:50,010
that's just lazy and I think we're all

612
00:27:54,650 --> 00:27:52,530
guilty of it and there's people who will

613
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,660
argue with me about Cass Clark in the

614
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:56,880
Pentek incident and I'm like I believe

615
00:28:00,800 --> 00:27:58,770
her I believe her

616
00:28:08,290 --> 00:28:00,810
and they're like she's too confident

617
00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:14,210
confident Ignatian she's um she's I saw

618
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,230
this and you need to know that this is

619
00:28:19,790 --> 00:28:18,000
real you need to know what they're doing

620
00:28:22,670 --> 00:28:19,800
and that's what it is

621
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:22,680
is this righteous indignation Ebola yeah

622
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:25,050
she's was cows believes in truth she's a

623
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:27,720
very um she got good morals and it could

624
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:30,600
sense a character and she believes in

625
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,450
truth and she she wants the truth that's

626
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:35,760
it you know and you know something but I

627
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:37,050
don't think so I don't think maybe

628
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:38,610
people know how to handle something like

629
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:39,690
that because we're living in a world

630
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:41,490
full of lies but when something like

631
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:42,930
this comes along and suddenly you know a

632
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,720
person like Carson was gone to such

633
00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:47,640
lengths to prove it prove herself you

634
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:49,270
know

635
00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:50,410
I've done a really good job in that

636
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:55,030
investigation it's a very very big case

637
00:29:00,780 --> 00:28:57,850
I mean yeah I I would love to avoid the

638
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:00,790
video photo join us always the one for

639
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:02,470
me I don't stand some people like when

640
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:05,080
it comes to you you do all the other

641
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:06,880
evidence you know you walk the grounds

642
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:08,290
you do this you do this the

643
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:10,420
investigation work you do the background

644
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:12,010
research - all the interviews you get

645
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:13,530
the statements do everything else

646
00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:15,640
there's like always the photographs and

647
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:18,160
where's the videos and it's like well

648
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:19,540
you know sometimes we're not fortunate

649
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:22,360
to have those things yeah you know

650
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:23,650
everything else you know we sort of

651
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:26,170
define it down and narrow it down until

652
00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:28,570
you eventually about for only one real

653
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:30,550
two choices either you think it's a

654
00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:33,250
complete load of nonsense which most

655
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,080
people I want to say most people do but

656
00:29:41,370 --> 00:29:37,120
a lot of people who are just skeptical

657
00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:41,380
for being an [\h__\h] but um you know

658
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:43,540
it's you can at least admit to yourself

659
00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:45,460
that something very strange happened you

660
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:46,660
and how much you'll take from me is up

661
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,340
to you but um you know I saw cars when

662
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:52,720
she was trying to get somebody to test

663
00:29:57,090 --> 00:29:55,290
her they agreed and then they were like

664
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:57,100
rejecting in the next minute when they

665
00:30:00,600 --> 00:29:58,930
realized what the subject was you know

666
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:00,610
she wanted to be questioned on you I

667
00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:01,930
thought wasn't she if she tried it I

668
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:03,700
feel people until I eventually celled on

669
00:30:11,340 --> 00:30:08,530
them the one that she got she waited

670
00:30:14,730 --> 00:30:11,350
until they were pretty much there and

671
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:14,740
then like you know because you know I

672
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:16,750
mean are you gonna do it second you tell

673
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:18,010
someone they'll just drop you like a

674
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:23,110
stone you know like I really don't see

675
00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:25,390
why that would be a problem for anybody

676
00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:28,540
or the polygraph what the subject is I

677
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:31,780
don't know maybe some people uh maybe I

678
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:33,670
don't mean that's an interesting

679
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:34,930
question actually when you start to look

680
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:38,230
at it because I mean why is why is it so

681
00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:40,120
difficult for people to for such a

682
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:41,740
crackpot thing I mean why

683
00:30:47,310 --> 00:30:43,420
why wouldn't you take a couple of

684
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:47,320
hundred quid to just prove them wrong do

685
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:47,850
you not I mean

686
00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:51,520
and this is this is something like I'll

687
00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:52,900
just mention this right there the thing

688
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:55,150
when the polygraph is this you know read

689
00:31:00,240 --> 00:30:57,790
about it the polygraph is designed to

690
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:00,250
detect deception it doesn't tell you if

691
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:02,650
you lie right

692
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:05,170
your brain your body everything else has

693
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:07,570
certain things that happen when you lie

694
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:09,610
it's a psychological thing it's a neural

695
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:12,190
thing it's a physical reaction kind of

696
00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:14,650
thing and enough studies have been done

697
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:15,790
on that that's how they've developed

698
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:19,060
these kinds of devices which detect

699
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:20,740
those various markers you know whether

700
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:23,770
you actually in your breath or you spaz

701
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:26,110
them in your chest or your brain does

702
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:27,730
something that you know indicates you

703
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:29,470
need to cover up for a lie or something

704
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:31,420
you know and that's what these machines

705
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,840
do and how they determine lie or truth

706
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:37,120
is that it's based on the statements or

707
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:38,650
something you want to be tested for in

708
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:41,710
Cass's case it was her it was a

709
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:44,710
statement based on what she saw yeah you

710
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:46,210
know and she said did you lie about any

711
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,590
of the content the content was a

712
00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:50,080
statement and she she answered that one

713
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:51,940
no she didn't lie and she passed on that

714
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:53,710
question and the other questions with it

715
00:31:58,770 --> 00:31:56,170
in the examiner along with everyone else

716
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,780
who helps to verify these results said

717
00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:00,100
yes she's telling the truth

718
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:03,100
she's not being deceptive you know get

719
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:05,560
that people no deception indicated she

720
00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:07,300
was not deceiving you at all

721
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:11,380
and yeah you know what I mean

722
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:15,940
maybe any other witness who will pay for

723
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:18,280
themselves and go to the lengths to

724
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:20,980
prove their case well Larry Warren did

725
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:23,290
but at the same time he's been telling

726
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:26,970
the same lies for nearly 40 years and

727
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:30,010
you know he's like the kind of person

728
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:33,400
that would be able to pass one because

729
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:37,810
if a he studied how to pass one B he

730
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:41,110
stole the same crap all his life see it

731
00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:45,190
might even believe he's on crap now you

732
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:49,060
know and de Psychopaths capacities which

733
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:51,370
is whether admissible and you talk to

734
00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:54,910
any yes they kind of you know the CIA

735
00:33:00,780 --> 00:32:57,670
etc and they will tell you that people

736
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:00,790
can quite easily pass them there you

737
00:33:10,650 --> 00:33:07,720
know but no no no if that Cass does not

738
00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:10,660
have any of those of the market oh she's

739
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:12,340
not and I've spoken to her and I've

740
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:14,200
spoken to the other witnesses in fact I

741
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:16,090
was the first person

742
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:19,090
that any of the others spoke to because

743
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:20,470
she said they wouldn't talk to anyone at

744
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:22,930
first but then I spoke to her and that I

745
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:24,280
didn't even know that they were in the

746
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:25,750
room and that I was on speakerphone and

747
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:28,210
they were listening and I was telling

748
00:33:32,670 --> 00:33:30,340
them about what happened to me and you

749
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,680
know I know it does to you and blah blah

750
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:34,720
blah and then this voice comes from the

751
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:45,910
background being used for real right now

752
00:33:54,180 --> 00:33:49,930
as cars so it was the other two that

753
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:54,190
spoke as well so I was like you know

754
00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:55,690
wouldn't they were talking it was

755
00:34:01,020 --> 00:33:58,470
exactly the same thing it wasn't like

756
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:01,030
yeah I wasn't contrived in any way I

757
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:04,230
could just tell it wasn't contrived

758
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:06,310
obviously I've been that over bilayers

759
00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:11,110
before that's the trouble is Natasha I

760
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:12,670
mean you get so many people pulled in

761
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:14,890
the subject and something once in a

762
00:34:18,570 --> 00:34:16,570
while will come along and it's like wow

763
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:18,580
you know that could be real but then you

764
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:20,950
know it's human nature we all do it you

765
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:22,840
know we sort of bias ourselves a bit and

766
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:26,740
only until I guess you know if you give

767
00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:29,890
it enough time it'll it'll say it'll say

768
00:34:32,610 --> 00:34:30,940
to you otherwise that's something

769
00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:32,620
something is real about this and then

770
00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:34,420
obviously you know you've heard that the

771
00:34:41,310 --> 00:34:38,200
case on that one yeah but it was also

772
00:34:43,950 --> 00:34:41,320
important that she had this as well but

773
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:43,960
not only for the public for them to know

774
00:34:48,870 --> 00:34:46,780
what a crazy situation is going on right

775
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:48,880
now but also because of her health

776
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:50,710
because she became very very ill didn't

777
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:53,010
she afterwards

778
00:35:05,490 --> 00:34:57,070
she's had a number of hostile word um

779
00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:05,500
yes she was a very ill I don't know

780
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:09,240
exactly what she had to tell the doctors

781
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:11,650
she wanted to tell the doctors what she

782
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:14,110
thought she'd been exposed to because it

783
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:17,140
might kind of lend some explanation

784
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,570
towards what actually happened she took

785
00:35:25,860 --> 00:35:24,640
the lie-detector test or the polygraph

786
00:35:28,590 --> 00:35:25,870
for a number of reasons obviously

787
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:28,600
benefited the case but she wanted people

788
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:29,800
to know that she wasn't

789
00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:31,840
being deceptive or you know that people

790
00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:34,600
want to look at her crazy and she know

791
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:36,040
she needed that for a doctor's as well

792
00:35:41,130 --> 00:35:37,210
you know because she had a number of

793
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:41,140
health concerns I know she had them she

794
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:42,280
need enough life

795
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:44,350
you know enough deaf experience about

796
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:46,510
one year after it happened I think yeah

797
00:35:55,170 --> 00:35:52,650
and then just recently she she sought a

798
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:55,180
major health scare again with her lungs

799
00:36:00,120 --> 00:35:58,510
yeah I don't this bug is going around

800
00:36:01,170 --> 00:36:00,130
there's a some bugs going around and

801
00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:01,180
it's causing a lot of people like

802
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:03,700
flu-like problems but she had a serious

803
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:06,430
case of nevus lung infection which I'm I

804
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:09,490
don't want bacteria or virus caused it

805
00:36:14,340 --> 00:36:11,590
but what it is is that it almost killed

806
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:14,350
her again ya know maybe this I dunno you

807
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:16,210
know if people have health problems

808
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:18,490
after getting close to these incredible

809
00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:20,890
craft you know I mean that I have I have

810
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:23,980
seen I mean I've isn't it true the one

811
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:39,270
disability because it was these symptoms

812
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:42,010
and I think this is right that he's been

813
00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:45,700
it was proven that he'd been exposed to

814
00:36:51,420 --> 00:36:47,740
and shield an unshielded radioactive

815
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:51,430
device so and I think Jim was the same

816
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:52,660
issue as well

817
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:54,310
Larry Warren says he's got the same

818
00:36:58,890 --> 00:36:56,650
issues but he's lying he also says that

819
00:37:01,860 --> 00:36:58,900
he was at Ground Zero for four times

820
00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:01,870
blah blah blah whatever and he's fine as

821
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:04,360
well you know everybody else is Paulie

822
00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:08,640
but he's absolutely fine and but yeah

823
00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:12,340
yeah exposed to well you see Jim touched

824
00:37:17,010 --> 00:37:14,500
whatever it was I believe this I

825
00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:17,020
actually believe it I don't a very I

826
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:19,600
struggle with the binary but I know I

827
00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:23,170
don't know I think that he did see what

828
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,230
he said he saw and I do believe that it

829
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:28,000
had those markings on it because when

830
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:30,970
you look at his book the hieroglyphs

831
00:37:36,570 --> 00:37:34,210
that he's drawn or whatever they are the

832
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:36,580
lines are completely wobbly because his

833
00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:38,830
hands are shaking so his problem of

834
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:42,190
adrenaline probably scared half out of

835
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:44,080
his wits you know

836
00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:47,890
so for these reasons I think that that

837
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:50,440
seems legit you know I do believe that

838
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,930
and if you touch something like that who

839
00:37:58,140 --> 00:37:54,880
knows because I believe it was like a

840
00:37:59,550 --> 00:37:58,150
black cobalt glass device and they black

841
00:38:01,470 --> 00:37:59,560
cobalt glass is the only thing that

842
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:01,480
stacks ions without them discharging on

843
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:03,720
the surface which would explain why the

844
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,400
markings were etched on it now if he

845
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:09,480
touched that then they would discharge

846
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:12,730
through him it would discharge on him he

847
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:15,310
conducted you mean yeah basically so you

848
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:17,830
know I think that's where he's come into

849
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:21,640
it but John on the third night was out

850
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:26,410
and he was in a beam of light and also

851
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:29,650
walked towards some lights and I think

852
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:31,180
he went into a light or whatever this

853
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:33,730
sort of came out in his hypnosis and

854
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:35,770
there were little blue lights dancing

855
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:38,740
around him so there was something going

856
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:39,910
on there that he was in close proximity

857
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,490
so which obviously had a similar sort of

858
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,560
energy to whatever it was that Jim was

859
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:46,000
exposed to because they've got similar

860
00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:49,900
health problems now I'm not gonna set my

861
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,270
life on every little bit of that because

862
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:54,640
obviously I'm relearning the Rendlesham

863
00:38:59,460 --> 00:38:57,190
incident because I believe a lot of it

864
00:39:01,410 --> 00:38:59,470
happened all in one place on one night

865
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:01,420
but everything that has been sewn

866
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:03,400
together for that one place and one

867
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,170
night it was actually happened to

868
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:07,359
several people in several places over

869
00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:10,750
several nights so I'm trying to piece it

870
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:13,000
together again in rubber inning arrays

871
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,210
all that but it seems that these things

872
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:19,359
do have some kind of physical effect on

873
00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:25,330
us for example in our incident when this

874
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:27,400
thing was above us and over the field

875
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:29,770
all the sheep were lying down and we

876
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:32,040
didn't behave normally we were not like

877
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:34,750
fully responding to the nature of the

878
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:37,210
incident and the severity of it the

879
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:39,970
reality of it you know the actuality had

880
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,030
passed us by and we were kind of engaged

881
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:46,720
in it in a awestruck way rather than

882
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:48,940
like oh my god quick get in the car and

883
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,470
drive away off on the police I'll do

884
00:39:56,449 --> 00:39:52,000
something and get in the house

885
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,180
so yeah I think that it's quite possible

886
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,400
that these things do have a some sort of

887
00:40:06,799 --> 00:40:04,920
physical effects and I don't know what I

888
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:06,809
think it's the nerve system people say

889
00:40:24,469 --> 00:40:10,160
it's your normal responses just don't

890
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:24,479
not the same yeah dangerous radiation

891
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:29,880
but I mean the electromagnetic yeah that

892
00:40:40,549 --> 00:40:38,089
things like that so certain types of EMF

893
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:40,559
could have a very dampening effect on

894
00:40:47,420 --> 00:40:44,729
our emotional state I think that's

895
00:40:50,809 --> 00:40:47,430
actually how it works you know the

896
00:40:53,029 --> 00:40:50,819
emotional the emotional human reactions

897
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:53,039
just don't seem to work when you're

898
00:40:58,789 --> 00:40:57,599
exposed or must the word come into

899
00:41:04,670 --> 00:40:58,799
contact with something you know energy

900
00:41:06,259 --> 00:41:04,680
like that I don't think people

901
00:41:08,029 --> 00:41:06,269
appreciate that I don't think people

902
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,039
seem to understand it's not like you're

903
00:41:12,799 --> 00:41:10,079
seeing a you know you know something

904
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:12,809
cool like a jet coming past or someone

905
00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:15,650
doing a pretty cool aerial maneuvers

906
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:18,599
it's like you know this whatever powers

907
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:20,729
this device this craft this [\h__\h]

908
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:23,099
whatever seems that if you get in

909
00:41:26,809 --> 00:41:24,630
constant of contact with it or you get

910
00:41:29,989 --> 00:41:26,819
close enough to its energy field the

911
00:41:31,819 --> 00:41:29,999
electromagnetic field around it it's um

912
00:41:34,459 --> 00:41:31,829
it just has a totally different effect

913
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:34,469
on your emotions are not the same your

914
00:41:39,709 --> 00:41:36,089
responses are not the same your memory

915
00:41:41,059 --> 00:41:39,719
and sometimes even be you may not even

916
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:41,069
recall the memory of it sometimes you

917
00:41:45,739 --> 00:41:43,619
might but when it comes it goes away but

918
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:45,749
when it's like by you sometimes doesn't

919
00:41:52,489 --> 00:41:47,369
happen often but it you know you may not

920
00:41:54,259 --> 00:41:52,499
recall it yeah depends really the

921
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:54,269
situation in front of someone and said

922
00:41:57,979 --> 00:41:55,049
what would you do

923
00:42:01,039 --> 00:41:57,989
people go I'd have turned they said from

924
00:42:04,579 --> 00:42:01,049
the police that have taken photos I X I

925
00:42:06,799 --> 00:42:04,589
said and I was like everyone would

926
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:06,809
always handle the situation better than

927
00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:08,430
the actual people who were involved in

928
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:09,120
it when they

929
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:18,110
you know we never even thought of taking

930
00:42:23,180 --> 00:42:20,490
photographs can you imagine that right

931
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:23,190
not it but as it turns out we haven't

932
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:29,910
even taken the camera you know it's like

933
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,970
I said you know your your reactions are

934
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:34,560
not the same your leg your normal

935
00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:35,820
reaction would be to grab a camera

936
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,030
videotape it I mean it's good that

937
00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:41,040
Nathan done that actually but you didn't

938
00:42:43,580 --> 00:42:42,120
do it straightaway he went to get his

939
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:43,590
brother first of all this camera was

940
00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:45,240
just by the side of him which is why you

941
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:48,360
know he's tired of doing that yeah good

942
00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:50,010
for that like and I don't know what the

943
00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:53,580
health effects could be you know people

944
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,670
say to me well did you have this that

945
00:43:00,320 --> 00:42:58,260
and the other were there any marks and

946
00:43:01,580 --> 00:43:00,330
obviously as some people as soon as I

947
00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:01,590
came on the net they were like all the

948
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:03,840
other you have been abducted you have

949
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:06,300
got implants in your nose and your spine

950
00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:08,910
and your feet you have they will have

951
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:10,590
done this that and the other one our

952
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:12,750
recollection of any of that but I don't

953
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,280
know if I had any health effects

954
00:43:18,980 --> 00:43:16,920
afterwards I might actually you brought

955
00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:18,990
this up earlier and it made me think you

956
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:21,120
know what I think I might actually apply

957
00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:23,220
for to see my own medical records and

958
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:25,350
have a look around about that time to

959
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:27,930
see if I was going to the doctors with

960
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:30,450
anything unusual because at that time I

961
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,820
was like it you know we had to friend

962
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:34,500
you will in lived in there we lived in a

963
00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:35,970
shared house and one of the friends in

964
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:38,820
there John he was absolutely nuts about

965
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:41,370
UFOs and so he did girl Skywatch you

966
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:43,050
know things like that but it was because

967
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:45,180
of him mainly and we did have a passing

968
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:46,710
interest and a little bit of knowledge

969
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:48,690
because of just as the stuff that he was

970
00:43:54,740 --> 00:43:50,310
saying all the time and he was really

971
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:54,750
really into it so people said to Jeff

972
00:43:59,980 --> 00:43:56,670
and Mark said well I wouldn't have even

973
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,990
thought to look no idea none at all and

974
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,980
wouldn't have gone to the doctors about

975
00:44:08,810 --> 00:44:03,900
marks on my body anyway but I don't know

976
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:08,820
if we were poly or anything something to

977
00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:18,330
look into it happens and you just do not

978
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:21,630
act how you would expect yourself to act

979
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,100
oh you don't

980
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,500
I mean I'm a very reactive person you

981
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,540
know it was accident or anything up

982
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:30,480
straight know what to do this is this is

983
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:32,370
something that we can get onto now and

984
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,590
reactions yeah the family in Denby not

985
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:40,140
long I mean very next morning still

986
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:42,600
buzzed so full of adrenaline I mean if

987
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:45,330
you talk to them now talk to them now

988
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:47,010
you talk to Linda Prichard Nathan and

989
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:48,830
Alex Thomas and clearly George and

990
00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:51,350
they're just as excited now and it's

991
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:54,840
infused with you know you know

992
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,910
excitement as they they are back then

993
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:58,020
you know they really want to see it

994
00:45:05,540 --> 00:45:02,160
again you know they're so I mean it's

995
00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:05,550
just like how does you know your normal

996
00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:07,080
explanations do that to a person like

997
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:11,070
you know I mean something very

998
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:17,220
interesting they didn't do anything

999
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:21,900
threatening to them not like I said it

1000
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:24,690
was a windy stormy rainy night the field

1001
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:27,930
see I see when Linda right when I spoke

1002
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:29,790
to Linda when I interviewed her and I

1003
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:31,890
spoke to her afterwards she she said it

1004
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,620
appeared just above the rooftops yeah as

1005
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:36,000
a playing field behind the house is

1006
00:45:39,590 --> 00:45:36,900
called hi-ho

1007
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:39,600
and there's a farm line just a bit

1008
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:43,200
further back excuse me there's a farm

1009
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:44,610
land bit further back I think it's

1010
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:46,890
called crappie farm or copy farmer get

1011
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:50,160
the name right now but she reckons it's

1012
00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:52,680
next to the field by Hauer and it could

1013
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:55,590
very well be it's just above the houses

1014
00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:57,930
to the left of it but I think it's a

1015
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:00,150
little bit further backwards just before

1016
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,240
you get to the copy farm area and I

1017
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:05,160
think it was somewhere around there

1018
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:06,540
because when I look at Ordnance Survey

1019
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:08,130
maps and I see the layout of the learn

1020
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:11,580
the line between their house and the the

1021
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:13,770
hill just behind it is about equal yeah

1022
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:15,720
so it could be close to the ground by

1023
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:22,290
there but that's just my own you know

1024
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:23,880
because it seemed so appear to go up on

1025
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:29,850
a kind of 45-degree angle and then it

1026
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:31,650
kind of goes up so that it's it's

1027
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:37,259
was at that point that if it was yeah

1028
00:46:43,739 --> 00:46:41,200
moving with the contour of the land well

1029
00:46:46,859 --> 00:46:43,749
this is something you know people can

1030
00:46:48,269 --> 00:46:46,869
think about as well because the the

1031
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:48,279
diameter of the lights in the whole

1032
00:46:52,859 --> 00:46:51,190
length of a video to videos doesn't

1033
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:52,869
change really you know so it's not

1034
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:54,700
moving further back and then go in along

1035
00:46:58,049 --> 00:46:56,049
the layout of the lamp because the land

1036
00:47:00,089 --> 00:46:58,059
does sort of incline as you go further

1037
00:47:12,799 --> 00:47:00,099
back up to the crest mile woods area oh

1038
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:15,809
Christ was a crest words us crest words

1039
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:18,970
or something you sort of emphasize the e

1040
00:47:25,229 --> 00:47:23,170
part of it but what it is is um yeah the

1041
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:25,239
it does incline as you go further back

1042
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:27,249
but if this craft is just 100 feet

1043
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:28,900
across and it's going further back it

1044
00:47:32,489 --> 00:47:30,119
would have to go at least another

1045
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,499
quarter of a mile and it should shrink

1046
00:47:36,809 --> 00:47:34,960
in size to the camera but it doesn't

1047
00:47:39,329 --> 00:47:36,819
they seem whatever it is it's stationary

1048
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:39,339
in that area for you know at least the

1049
00:47:45,089 --> 00:47:41,710
length of the video and as you say it

1050
00:47:47,279 --> 00:47:45,099
goes on a 45 degree angle and the lights

1051
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:47,289
nothing like lights you normally see in

1052
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:48,730
the area they don't stroll while being

1053
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:57,609
or create a halo or anything so it

1054
00:48:01,289 --> 00:47:59,170
wasn't like it was gone it was just

1055
00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:01,299
obscured by the houses and maybe a tree

1056
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:02,670
line

1057
00:48:10,349 --> 00:48:07,140
you know it was only watching the lights

1058
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:10,359
I don't think I mean there are trees

1059
00:48:15,989 --> 00:48:14,410
there but no I mean you know just behind

1060
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,999
the houses you can see that those are

1061
00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:17,440
like a little line of trees and I

1062
00:48:25,799 --> 00:48:20,440
wondered if so what the flickering was

1063
00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:25,809
due to the rain and branches you know it

1064
00:48:29,729 --> 00:48:26,980
could be but I think that's just the way

1065
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:29,739
those lights are yeah I mean Alex

1066
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:31,450
describe the lights it's like a mini

1067
00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:33,700
explosions or I think Nathan said as

1068
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:35,109
well be like little explosions I mean

1069
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:38,440
the closest I could get to it in terms

1070
00:48:41,729 --> 00:48:39,700
of like how it looks I mean if you

1071
00:48:46,759 --> 00:48:41,739
remember those old flash bulbs and those

1072
00:48:49,050 --> 00:48:46,769
like 1950s 1960s cameras the American

1073
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:49,060
yeah they sort of

1074
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:50,590
instantly flashing and they just sort of

1075
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:52,510
dim down to nothing you know they

1076
00:48:57,570 --> 00:48:54,580
instantly come on when they done it this

1077
00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:57,580
sorta like that in terms of the way it

1078
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:59,230
reacts you know instant brightness and

1079
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:00,400
then it comes down instant brightness

1080
00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:03,010
then it dims down yeah it kind of comes

1081
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:04,360
on like that but obviously you don't

1082
00:49:19,410 --> 00:49:15,870
it's on a camera flash expensive cameras

1083
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:19,420
you know telescopic lenses and also

1084
00:49:25,350 --> 00:49:21,970
maybe it's actually the effect on the

1085
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,360
air around the craft because if the

1086
00:49:31,350 --> 00:49:28,480
whole of a craft is electrified and has

1087
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:31,360
some sort of vacuum space around it

1088
00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:34,450
which is actually a thing now in our own

1089
00:49:41,070 --> 00:49:37,480
technology then who knows what that

1090
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:41,080
might look like and even in like 911

1091
00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:42,940
videos you see these people saying that

1092
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,100
a lot the video the planes not real the

1093
00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:47,440
wings disappear it's a hologram but

1094
00:49:52,290 --> 00:49:49,270
there were actually plane parts all over

1095
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:52,300
the ground it's street level so you know

1096
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:54,910
a plane did hit but when you're watching

1097
00:50:01,230 --> 00:49:57,520
the video the distortion makes it look

1098
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:01,240
like you know the wings are not there it

1099
00:50:07,260 --> 00:50:05,050
looks like a missile or whatever so you

1100
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:07,270
know you can't always have the peak

1101
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:08,680
these people can't always have what they

1102
00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:10,870
want and dismissing something on camera

1103
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:13,600
quality is absolutely ridiculous

1104
00:50:21,690 --> 00:50:18,280
if you ask me because I'm I've like seen

1105
00:50:23,070 --> 00:50:21,700
that footage enough now because I didn't

1106
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:23,080
actually get to the end of it because I

1107
00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:32,770
kept going back I mean I kinda describe

1108
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:35,500
it like the Sapru de film of the JFK you

1109
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:37,840
know this is like the Sapru de film of

1110
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:39,670
the you ethology you followed you world

1111
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:41,770
you know because very rarely do you get

1112
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:44,530
some in the last that long on camera for

1113
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:46,330
people to sort of analyze and do in deaf

1114
00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:49,210
studies off I mean you know the soprano

1115
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:51,700
film has been analyzed to death and many

1116
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:53,140
people think the copies that got

1117
00:50:57,090 --> 00:50:54,820
released later on and the Time magazine

1118
00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:57,100
vaults I think it wasn't that somebody's

1119
00:51:01,050 --> 00:50:59,230
manipulating them yeah but that's

1120
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:01,060
because obviously people have analyzed

1121
00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:03,010
it to death you know what I mean

1122
00:51:06,780 --> 00:51:04,900
I mean this this video you can't analyze

1123
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:06,790
you can analyze it you can study it you

1124
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:08,950
can do your own conclusions on it if you

1125
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:12,910
want but you know it's very you say

1126
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:13,990
sometimes you just got a blurry photo

1127
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:15,670
you could have video or something that

1128
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:17,650
doesn't really show much it may be

1129
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:19,660
something unusual it may not be but in

1130
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:21,700
this case you've got like nine minutes

1131
00:51:26,609 --> 00:51:24,340
almost or something you can study and

1132
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:26,619
you look at it and it's like again I

1133
00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:32,050
mean I am I saw it on the TV screen

1134
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:34,590
first of all in Nathan's house and I

1135
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:37,380
could tell you that's not a normal

1136
00:51:41,849 --> 00:51:39,640
everyday thing you know prompts eat

1137
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:41,859
walnuts further investigation which is

1138
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:43,510
why I decided to start looking into it

1139
00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:46,630
and one of the things I did do was go on

1140
00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:50,859
a plane finder dotnet yeah look at radar

1141
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,270
returns and see if there was anything

1142
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:54,880
visible for that night from three to

1143
00:52:01,560 --> 00:51:58,240
four nothing there at all and this is

1144
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:01,570
also confirmed by the police who Linda

1145
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,980
Pritchard actually called to the house

1146
00:52:07,470 --> 00:52:04,960
very next day or the next day after

1147
00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:07,480
something like that because she wanted

1148
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:10,990
to know what this was and the police

1149
00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:12,730
confirmed that there were no police

1150
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:14,230
helicopters or planes or anything out

1151
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:19,810
that night so you know I would say also

1152
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:21,970
when I'm speaking to the family if this

1153
00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:23,890
was a helicopter or a plane or a drone

1154
00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:25,300
or something they would know they've

1155
00:52:29,330 --> 00:52:26,920
lived in this area all their lives they

1156
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:29,340
know what goes on around the place

1157
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,890
there's no electrical pylons the golf

1158
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:34,960
courses to the left

1159
00:52:39,090 --> 00:52:36,820
quarry's over to the right the only

1160
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:39,100
thing that's between them and the woods

1161
00:52:42,810 --> 00:52:41,170
area is just that farm which is obscured

1162
00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:42,820
by the hill and my houses in the

1163
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,500
foreground which you know you can

1164
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:46,859
clearly see and after spinning around up

1165
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:48,220
those legs

1166
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:49,660
you know those lights are spinning and

1167
00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:53,430
rotating whatever certain people may say

1168
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:55,990
you know they they were rotating you can

1169
00:52:58,500 --> 00:52:57,369
clearly see you know there are lights on

1170
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,510
top and they're lights underneath then

1171
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:00,640
they move around it is sort of like you

1172
00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:08,410
don't you don't see the lights all come

1173
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,260
from a left-to-right position and you

1174
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:13,119
know how many things if there's a solid

1175
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:15,490
base attached to this light switch I

1176
00:53:17,579 --> 00:53:16,569
think there is

1177
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:17,589
you know you're not gonna see the back

1178
00:53:21,029 --> 00:53:18,609
end of it because you'd have to be on

1179
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:21,039
the other side of it you know saw the

1180
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:22,150
lights whenever you see they're always

1181
00:53:24,839 --> 00:53:23,650
gonna go from left to right so it looks

1182
00:53:26,759 --> 00:53:24,849
like it's just things traveling from

1183
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:26,769
left to right if you study the pattern

1184
00:53:34,219 --> 00:53:28,329
of it long enough you can see it is

1185
00:53:38,759 --> 00:53:36,479
you know and you know explain the red

1186
00:53:41,849 --> 00:53:38,769
light on top you know is that you know

1187
00:53:43,859 --> 00:53:41,859
just stir you know you know is that a

1188
00:53:46,499 --> 00:53:43,869
firefly or something you know I mean you

1189
00:53:47,969 --> 00:53:46,509
know eventually you know there's two

1190
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:47,979
things there's two ways to look at it

1191
00:53:52,709 --> 00:53:49,900
you can even just look at it with honest

1192
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,719
eyes and come you know eventually narrow

1193
00:53:56,459 --> 00:53:54,640
it all down okay what can this be you

1194
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:56,469
can just say it's unidentified I don't

1195
00:53:59,849 --> 00:53:57,910
say it's an alien craft I don't know if

1196
00:54:01,890 --> 00:53:59,859
it's actual treasure it could be I don't

1197
00:54:05,669 --> 00:54:01,900
say that it is what I say is that it's

1198
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:05,679
proof of a UFO an unidentified aerial

1199
00:54:10,229 --> 00:54:08,559
phenomena because I I've been to the

1200
00:54:12,059 --> 00:54:10,239
place I've done the background research

1201
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:12,069
I've questioned the family I've looked

1202
00:54:16,949 --> 00:54:15,369
at the video you know I've looked at

1203
00:54:19,259 --> 00:54:16,959
just about everything I can and you know

1204
00:54:23,609 --> 00:54:19,269
you say the weather was well 81 miles an

1205
00:54:29,669 --> 00:54:23,619
hour with torrential downpours at times

1206
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:29,679
and I made a mention of that I put it

1207
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:30,609
through a different number of filters

1208
00:54:34,109 --> 00:54:31,569
just to sort of highlight that

1209
00:54:37,499 --> 00:54:34,119
particular point yeah I mean by the time

1210
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:37,509
you you know you start crossing off all

1211
00:54:45,209 --> 00:54:39,400
the possibilities and what you're left

1212
00:54:46,799 --> 00:54:45,219
with you know Christmas tree or

1213
00:54:48,689 --> 00:54:46,809
something you know what I mean flying

1214
00:54:50,669 --> 00:54:48,699
around something stupid like that but

1215
00:55:01,499 --> 00:54:50,679
you know I'm just talking around my

1216
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:01,509
point is obviously you've you've

1217
00:55:09,779 --> 00:55:04,209
traipsed around the area you've this

1218
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:09,789
footage Peter yeah Peter Glenn Peter

1219
00:55:17,249 --> 00:55:13,529
Glenn he went quite soon after didn't I

1220
00:55:18,929 --> 00:55:17,259
yes I thought it was like a couple of

1221
00:55:20,249 --> 00:55:18,939
weeks after but no yeah I think it was

1222
00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:20,259
like in the first week he may have been

1223
00:55:25,229 --> 00:55:23,380
called in by the family and to have

1224
00:55:26,849 --> 00:55:25,239
someone look at it because the family

1225
00:55:27,899 --> 00:55:26,859
needed someone who could up maybe you

1226
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:27,909
know someone what an interest in the

1227
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:30,250
subject and as our background knowledge

1228
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:33,340
could do something for them and he did

1229
00:55:37,290 --> 00:55:35,260
he did some preliminary investigations

1230
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:37,300
of his own you know he you took a

1231
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:39,040
photograph from the window he lined it

1232
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:41,140
up with the video and tried to determine

1233
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:43,930
where this was coming from and you know

1234
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:46,450
he went to the fields there is a cave

1235
00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:48,700
system behind the fields that he's on

1236
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,200
that he's above the caves actually then

1237
00:55:55,950 --> 00:55:53,200
there's a farmland or the farm housing

1238
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:55,960
you know the sheds and the house and

1239
00:56:01,050 --> 00:55:57,850
just a bit further to the right of it

1240
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:01,060
and you know is in the area where this

1241
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:08,140
would be the quarry in the caves are and

1242
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:09,400
then the footage which I should mention

1243
00:56:12,570 --> 00:56:11,170
actually is on the paranormal mysteries

1244
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:12,580
Facebook page I should have said that

1245
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:16,480
initially sombitch shoot isn't it it's

1246
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:18,520
Gary Jones on bit shooting delights if

1247
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:20,050
you search that now you'll be able to

1248
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:25,300
see the video so it's not exactly the

1249
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:27,040
right terrain for people to be running

1250
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:28,660
around with anything or driving around

1251
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:30,790
with anything you know any kind of light

1252
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:33,070
source in fact it would be quite deadly

1253
00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:36,130
in fact to be out at night in that kind

1254
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:38,830
of weather you wouldn't want to be doing

1255
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:42,060
any kind of work or construction or

1256
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:53,610
repair or tree surgeries and the quarry

1257
00:57:07,830 --> 00:56:58,090
when Peter was filming in the field

1258
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:07,840
where the tractor marks it tends to just

1259
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:44,130
degrees yeah so it seems unlikely that

1260
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:47,290
we'll be out there doing anything and

1261
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:51,670
how they would be able to have something

1262
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:53,320
so bright and those lights are actually

1263
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,610
large they're too big to be anything

1264
00:58:02,210 --> 00:58:00,160
there we would be carrying around and

1265
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:02,220
there's no beam so it's not one of those

1266
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:12,060
you know mag like torches with these

1267
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:14,230
incredible high wattage beams on them or

1268
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:16,630
they're not they're not like that I mean

1269
00:58:19,860 --> 00:58:18,730
those those lights I mean they're very

1270
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:19,870
bright some of them you know they're

1271
00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:22,540
almost like I mean if you probably

1272
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:23,980
looking at them through your own eyes

1273
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:28,960
they probably bit binding but some in

1274
00:58:37,530 --> 00:58:35,530
the Christ woods know you know if you

1275
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:37,540
were if it was people then they would

1276
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:41,550
have to be at treetop level have to be

1277
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:43,930
you can sort of wander in between the

1278
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:45,250
tree trunks I guess on the ground

1279
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:54,670
because you would have to be high up in

1280
00:59:01,200 --> 00:58:56,890
the trees for those lights to be seen

1281
00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:01,210
above this is the point again and it I

1282
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:03,790
mean you see the street light in the

1283
00:59:07,890 --> 00:59:05,290
video yeah and it's giving off a beam

1284
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:07,900
yeah creeps a halo it illuminates the

1285
00:59:10,860 --> 00:59:09,430
area around it doesn't another key point

1286
00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:10,870
is that these lights don't illuminate

1287
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:13,300
anything except you know the inside you

1288
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:15,370
know whatever device is charging it yeah

1289
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:17,770
you know it doesn't know you don't even

1290
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:21,760
see really on the video unless you've

1291
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:23,590
done some sort of image enhancements

1292
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:25,690
that um David was able to do David

1293
00:59:31,290 --> 00:59:28,930
Williams you know you can't really can't

1294
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:31,300
really see anything I mean I I mean he

1295
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:33,130
must have paused that video the most

1296
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:34,810
golden of opportunities because I've

1297
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:36,430
tried the China announced it myself I

1298
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:38,530
cannot get nothing like that ya know

1299
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:40,150
that was probably what I mean the one I

1300
00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:41,680
put in the video where I used that

1301
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:43,360
because it shows the red light on top

1302
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:45,040
and the line above the lights you know

1303
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:46,600
so obviously you know what I've done and

1304
00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:47,980
what he's done is very similar but he's

1305
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:49,900
just obviously be more successful of

1306
01:00:02,360 --> 00:59:58,800
cherry coke yeah so the then the other

1307
01:00:06,090 --> 01:00:02,370
interesting thing is within a few weeks

1308
01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:06,100
maybe six weeks max there was a huge

1309
01:00:13,650 --> 01:00:11,230
swathe of trees that were not they were

1310
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:13,660
felled but they weren't like cut down

1311
01:00:20,610 --> 01:00:15,900
there was some have been pushed over

1312
01:00:23,550 --> 01:00:20,620
yeah uprooted which I know that they

1313
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:23,560
have these things that push them over

1314
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:29,440
now don't Lee and they can well this is

1315
01:00:36,210 --> 01:00:33,280
um I mean if I hadn't have done the

1316
01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:36,220
pentanoic incident straight off and then

1317
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:38,380
learned about this interesting thing

1318
01:00:42,570 --> 01:00:41,230
about the felling of trees or chopping

1319
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:42,580
down trees are just uprooting them and

1320
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:44,050
leaving them on the side somewhere I

1321
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:46,630
mean it was in the Pentek UFO incident

1322
01:00:53,070 --> 01:00:50,410
yeah was in it was in vanilla with Gary

1323
01:00:54,090 --> 01:00:53,080
row they done the same thing I know they

1324
01:01:01,410 --> 01:00:54,100
did something similar with the

1325
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:01,420
Rendlesham forest those trees are being

1326
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:03,540
cut down some of them was scorched

1327
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:09,040
marked branches broken them down and I

1328
01:01:16,770 --> 01:01:12,660
know I had something similar the

1329
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:16,780
Sheffield UFO 87 I think I've some

1330
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:18,250
something with trees I think something

1331
01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:29,760
produced they go back to the area and

1332
01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:32,500
the trees have been felled and they the

1333
01:01:36,660 --> 01:01:34,750
rings in the trees and actually kind of

1334
01:01:40,590 --> 01:01:36,670
on one side where they were exposed to

1335
01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:40,600
the craft like a star shapes like spikes

1336
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:46,540
with is distorted eNOS yeah I think when

1337
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:47,950
you you mentioned this to me yesterday

1338
01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:49,720
about the trees getting chopped down and

1339
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:51,400
you asked me to confirm how soon it was

1340
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:54,070
after with the Rendlesham forest I think

1341
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:56,200
you actually onto something I think you

1342
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:00,400
know it's very unusual but in each of

1343
01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:10,080
some of them do get removed but I guess

1344
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:11,800
some of them just get left there as well

1345
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,230
but um I mean you can't fail a whole

1346
01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:15,520
bunch of trees and just leave them you

1347
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:17,080
know maybe one or two up one's got left

1348
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:23,950
laying around I guess it's just was last

1349
01:02:27,089 --> 01:02:25,690
that I got told by the Forestry

1350
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:27,099
Commission that the reason they fell

1351
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:28,900
those trees was large disease I'll fight

1352
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:31,920
the thorah or moorim as it's it's more

1353
01:02:37,859 --> 01:02:35,230
scientific name yeah but if that is the

1354
01:02:40,109 --> 01:02:37,869
case and as we showed in a woods from

1355
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:40,119
Birmingham I forget the name of it right

1356
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:42,130
now but that was large disease they

1357
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,950
cleared the entire area all the trees

1358
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:49,359
they chopped more than there's nothing

1359
01:02:59,880 --> 01:02:57,599
warnings to land you're asking people to

1360
01:03:00,839 --> 01:02:59,890
wash their feet or wash their bike tires

1361
01:03:02,940 --> 01:03:00,849
when they come through because they

1362
01:03:04,589 --> 01:03:02,950
don't want to spread it around you know

1363
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:04,599
and I mean when you see the clearing I

1364
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:06,160
mean these woods areas they don't stop

1365
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:07,450
like a small section tell each other

1366
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:12,190
everything I mean some people were very

1367
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:19,290
upset you know but when you look at

1368
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:21,490
pentek you know they're not supposed to

1369
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:22,750
plan anything for at least three years

1370
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:23,980
but they were planting them pretty much

1371
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:26,800
next year you know so if they if they're

1372
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:28,690
worried about disease they're obviously

1373
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:33,369
not too concerned by it those areas that

1374
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:37,599
got chopped down far as I can see in

1375
01:03:44,010 --> 01:03:41,050
pain Terk anyway that's where whatever

1376
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:44,020
they were firing at over the ranches in

1377
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:47,400
common we do think now it went flying

1378
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,690
through the trees in that because you

1379
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:52,240
saw there's broken trees and canopies on

1380
01:04:03,030 --> 01:03:55,089
the floor and to break those off you got

1381
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,040
to get 20 feet above the ground chairs

1382
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,200
are like thin twigs talking like a

1383
01:04:08,849 --> 01:04:07,359
couple of inches around in some cases

1384
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:08,859
and they take a bit of snapping yeah

1385
01:04:14,099 --> 01:04:10,500
unless you're going through it with some

1386
01:04:16,109 --> 01:04:14,109
some velocity and kinetic energy and it

1387
01:04:18,089 --> 01:04:16,119
leads right into an area where I found

1388
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:18,099
them all those broken trees were all

1389
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:19,630
cast found the broken trees along with

1390
01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:22,150
her friends but

1391
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:24,760
electromagnetic field being emitted and

1392
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:26,260
it was still being emitted wasn't it

1393
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:31,510
until recently I understand right this

1394
01:04:37,769 --> 01:04:34,960
is how it works the electromagnetic

1395
01:04:42,329 --> 01:04:37,779
fields that I found a more like the

1396
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:42,339
magnetic fields the higher that they

1397
01:04:46,380 --> 01:04:43,930
higher than you normal background what

1398
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:46,390
you do is you gay if you want to get a

1399
01:04:49,049 --> 01:04:47,680
base reading what you're gonna do is you

1400
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:49,059
gotta call maybe a couple of times you

1401
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:51,010
know you walk around and a grid in a

1402
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:52,690
grid formation that can all go left and

1403
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:54,430
right and up and down and so like do a

1404
01:05:00,329 --> 01:04:56,380
grid a grid pattern reference search

1405
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:00,339
yeah um you can take any sort of

1406
01:05:05,970 --> 01:05:03,849
electromagnetic radiation test or meter

1407
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:05,980
you know just let it have a look just a

1408
01:05:09,870 --> 01:05:08,380
little find out it finds magnetic fields

1409
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:09,880
better than it finds electrical fields

1410
01:05:13,950 --> 01:05:12,190
but the magnetic fields that it finds is

1411
01:05:15,390 --> 01:05:13,960
like you know I mean as far as I

1412
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:15,400
understand the science behind it is that

1413
01:05:22,109 --> 01:05:19,990
you know the particles of energy uh you

1414
01:05:24,450 --> 01:05:22,119
know have to be charged negative or

1415
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,460
positive and then moving yeah you know

1416
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:26,319
to create a field a magnetic field and

1417
01:05:29,609 --> 01:05:28,690
that's what this device picks up on you

1418
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:29,619
know and if it's at a high enough

1419
01:05:34,140 --> 01:05:30,970
electrical field there too it'll pick

1420
01:05:37,710 --> 01:05:34,150
that up as well but we went around all

1421
01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:37,720
these fields all on the forest areas and

1422
01:05:41,370 --> 01:05:39,220
I just marked out where they got the

1423
01:05:42,750 --> 01:05:41,380
beeps yeah yeah cuz I mean this thing is

1424
01:05:45,420 --> 01:05:42,760
cool this thing will go off at zero

1425
01:05:49,049 --> 01:05:45,430
point four micro Tesla ut micro Tesla

1426
01:05:50,579 --> 01:05:49,059
and you know according to the studies

1427
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:50,589
that are read on that the research

1428
01:05:55,769 --> 01:05:51,970
information that's but long-term

1429
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,779
exposure is harmful right yeah no but I

1430
01:06:00,059 --> 01:05:58,000
went into the fields of pen toke and I

1431
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:00,069
went into the forest of smile OGG I

1432
01:06:05,099 --> 01:06:04,089
found when I found the the actual what

1433
01:06:09,089 --> 01:06:05,109
I'm looking for what I found that the

1434
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:09,099
traces were inside the tree area just

1435
01:06:14,190 --> 01:06:12,490
alongside some Road and a pattern that

1436
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:14,200
went through the trees I got the fell

1437
01:06:17,819 --> 01:06:16,450
the tree area and if you follow that

1438
01:06:19,319 --> 01:06:17,829
line back it goes all the way to the

1439
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:19,329
Royal Gomorrah hospital and tris in

1440
01:06:24,329 --> 01:06:20,380
common where people said they heard

1441
01:06:25,859 --> 01:06:24,339
explosions and when it comes to the

1442
01:06:28,410 --> 01:06:25,869
fields of panic I mean I went all around

1443
01:06:35,230 --> 01:06:28,420
there number of times me and some fond

1444
01:06:38,850 --> 01:06:35,240
dead and I there now strong now

1445
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:38,860
said well I spoke to you two last time

1446
01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:42,290
there is still some kind of you know

1447
01:06:48,370 --> 01:06:46,580
elevated levels in certain areas I mean

1448
01:06:50,530 --> 01:06:48,380
I'm just us the part for the dead tree

1449
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:50,540
area when we get Aaron call the ball

1450
01:06:54,609 --> 01:06:52,730
patch because anyone who goes that you

1451
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:54,619
can see on the if you go over the

1452
01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:56,630
history of Google Earth images it's

1453
01:07:01,900 --> 01:06:58,970
starting to grow back now and it's it's

1454
01:07:04,450 --> 01:07:01,910
like it was big and just barren the

1455
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:04,460
grass was all he looked like you know

1456
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:08,690
the kora Phil that gives he's on the

1457
01:07:14,109 --> 01:07:11,470
grass it's unique shine greeny colour

1458
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:14,119
that looked more that all that was gone

1459
01:07:19,810 --> 01:07:17,810
and there was a bush line of bushes

1460
01:07:21,550 --> 01:07:19,820
between the two fields by the gate

1461
01:07:24,070 --> 01:07:21,560
entrance along the left side there

1462
01:07:25,330 --> 01:07:24,080
that's where one of the red barrels was

1463
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:25,340
hovering and the other one was above a

1464
01:07:29,470 --> 01:07:27,290
tree line just on the gate where cars

1465
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:29,480
was but where the red one was said to

1466
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,510
have been you know you can the bushes

1467
01:07:36,190 --> 01:07:33,920
are growing back now but you can see

1468
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:36,200
that everything else around it you know

1469
01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:37,790
the inside that area where this thing

1470
01:07:41,890 --> 01:07:39,260
would have been hovering above the bush

1471
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,900
it's it's dead it doesn't grow it's

1472
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:43,520
growing back now but it was dead at the

1473
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:45,530
time and you can see as it starts to

1474
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:47,750
expand from that area you know the

1475
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:49,910
leaves are all greeny and brown it you

1476
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:52,000
know there's suffering from something I

1477
01:07:56,380 --> 01:07:55,130
mean I don't know why people seem to

1478
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:56,390
think that this doesn't happen I mean oh

1479
01:08:00,640 --> 01:07:58,130
yeah I don't know how these devices work

1480
01:08:02,170 --> 01:08:00,650
but every UFO case I've read with

1481
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,180
somebody has done an electromagnetic

1482
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:04,400
field studies but there's higher than

1483
01:08:08,380 --> 01:08:06,859
normal background levels yeah I'm the

1484
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,390
base reading for that particular area

1485
01:08:14,410 --> 01:08:10,400
especially in the pants leg fields was

1486
01:08:17,140 --> 01:08:14,420
0.05 or 0.1 microtesla nothing higher

1487
01:08:18,999 --> 01:08:17,150
than that and then when you get into the

1488
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:19,009
area is that the thing just goes off you

1489
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,170
know I mean that's that's the thing that

1490
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,880
people don't seem to understand it's not

1491
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:24,319
the reason I done that is because I

1492
01:08:27,999 --> 01:08:25,520
wanted to see if I could find anything

1493
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:28,009
and we will find so many that we had to

1494
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:29,450
mark them out when we marked them out it

1495
01:08:34,860 --> 01:08:31,130
followed the line the car said to me

1496
01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:37,230
[Laughter]

1497
01:08:40,539 --> 01:08:39,230
forgive me saying this but I guess so

1498
01:08:42,010 --> 01:08:40,549
many people give me stick for this and

1499
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:42,020
it just drives me [\h__\h] mad you know

1500
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:44,089
what I mean I just say do some [\h__\h]

1501
01:08:49,149 --> 01:08:47,690
researching idiots you know I mean I go

1502
01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:49,159
to all this trouble

1503
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:50,569
and you go to a lot of trouble and other

1504
01:08:54,249 --> 01:08:52,460
people go to a lot of trouble to try and

1505
01:08:56,019 --> 01:08:54,259
prove that point you know we cover all

1506
01:08:58,599 --> 01:08:56,029
the questions that people would ask and

1507
01:09:23,530 --> 01:08:58,609
more and if so oh it's it's total

1508
01:09:25,809 --> 01:09:23,540
rubbish interesting thing about the

1509
01:09:28,419 --> 01:09:25,819
trees that we discuss in in the Denver

1510
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:28,429
area in Christ's words you quite clearly

1511
01:09:33,579 --> 01:09:31,279
can see that in the surrounding where

1512
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:33,589
all of these trees have been pushed over

1513
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:36,319
felled whatever the trees are gray all

1514
01:09:43,689 --> 01:09:41,870
on one side I don't I well you know it

1515
01:09:45,129 --> 01:09:43,699
is it is in winter time right and I

1516
01:09:46,990 --> 01:09:45,139
wasn't looking at the leaves I was

1517
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:47,000
looking at the trees the color of the

1518
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:50,290
bark and the branches and behind them

1519
01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:53,449
behind them you know they look perfectly

1520
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:55,880
okay and I've looked at those things you

1521
01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:57,110
know they're nice and healthy lucky and

1522
01:10:02,410 --> 01:09:59,300
the bark is very fresh and no it's got

1523
01:10:04,689 --> 01:10:02,420
plenty of life in it but when you look

1524
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,699
around the areas that you know it just

1525
01:10:08,050 --> 01:10:06,560
around them won't make it make up the

1526
01:10:11,229 --> 01:10:08,060
edges of what the trees that was still

1527
01:10:14,620 --> 01:10:11,239
standing they look dead don't look

1528
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:14,630
healthy at all so I mean this is not

1529
01:10:20,050 --> 01:10:18,560
evidence of this but one of the thoughts

1530
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:20,060
was going through my mind is well did

1531
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:24,050
this thing come over did because I mean

1532
01:10:27,879 --> 01:10:25,489
once you've got what you go where

1533
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:27,889
northwards to Christ what Christ would

1534
01:10:32,620 --> 01:10:31,489
you end up going over to the sea and

1535
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:32,630
then obviously you know you'd gone off

1536
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:33,980
for Wales and then you know Liverpool

1537
01:10:38,189 --> 01:10:35,870
would be over to the right a bit it's

1538
01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:38,199
not too far from the ocean line and

1539
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:40,580
coastline again in Wales you know lots

1540
01:10:45,490 --> 01:10:43,760
of things I've seen so many people tell

1541
01:10:46,899 --> 01:10:45,500
me now that they see a lot of crazy

1542
01:10:47,950 --> 01:10:46,909
stuff coming out of the sea over that

1543
01:10:51,310 --> 01:10:47,960
particular area

1544
01:10:55,450 --> 01:10:51,320
yeah and you know I mean I'm just of the

1545
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:55,460
idea that this thing may have gone back

1546
01:11:00,370 --> 01:10:57,650
over to Christ woods may have hovered

1547
01:11:01,780 --> 01:11:00,380
over a particular section of them the

1548
01:11:02,890 --> 01:11:01,790
wooded areas and that's why those ones

1549
01:11:05,410 --> 01:11:02,900
have been felled

1550
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:05,420
I mean they don't seem they don't seem

1551
01:11:10,030 --> 01:11:07,790
to want to remove them they just seem to

1552
01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:10,040
what uproot them and not let weather has

1553
01:11:13,180 --> 01:11:11,630
something to do with it the energy

1554
01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:13,190
source they use or they give off you

1555
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:14,840
know because as you said when people get

1556
01:11:21,130 --> 01:11:18,770
close too close to these crafts what

1557
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:21,140
they find is that theory their nervous

1558
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:28,880
systems their muscle on grass trees and

1559
01:11:39,130 --> 01:11:35,360
other yeah Wi-Fi signals due to plants I

1560
01:11:42,190 --> 01:11:39,140
grew to Moringa trees and they got to be

1561
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,200
about two three feet tall and they were

1562
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:44,480
on my windowsill behind the TV and they

1563
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:48,770
took one off I was like 24 hours and I

1564
01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:51,050
put it down and I put it by the Wi-Fi

1565
01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:53,390
router and in front of the TV and it

1566
01:11:59,950 --> 01:11:57,080
died it completely died I took photos of

1567
01:12:02,530 --> 01:11:59,960
it I was utterly shocked at how

1568
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:02,540
dangerous these signals and their

1569
01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:04,280
radiation is that's coming off our TV

1570
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:07,550
and the Wi-Fi router so if things like

1571
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:09,920
that we have in our house have that kind

1572
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:12,080
of effect on life then what was

1573
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:18,290
something on a much larger scale and you

1574
01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:19,970
can see in the Google images that you've

1575
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:23,780
got before and after how huge an area

1576
01:12:31,090 --> 01:12:29,210
that has been affected and it's right it

1577
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:31,100
takes it takes and it took some time to

1578
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:32,690
walk around I mean I was walking around

1579
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:35,630
it for a good hour in 15 maybe an hour

1580
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:39,050
and 20 minutes and you know we were

1581
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:40,370
stopping obviously like you know it

1582
01:12:43,540 --> 01:12:41,990
would probably take you about 30 40

1583
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,550
minutes to walk around so it's a very

1584
01:12:46,570 --> 01:12:44,960
large section of area that they've

1585
01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:46,580
chopped down and again you know a lot

1586
01:12:54,730 --> 01:12:51,140
long after a UFO sighting which i think

1587
01:12:56,380 --> 01:12:54,740
is proven now you know what is with that

1588
01:13:01,140 --> 01:12:56,390
what why why do they do that you know I

1589
01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:01,150
mean somebody it was physically possible

1590
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:12,400
if well because the felt they haven't

1591
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:20,350
[Music]

1592
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:23,850
like some things were planted later on

1593
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:25,140
because in the middle there are some

1594
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:35,190
things sprouting up now you know just in

1595
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,690
case one day somebody guys this is

1596
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:38,400
really interested in I might invest in

1597
01:13:45,770 --> 01:13:43,010
this and I would I would like somebody

1598
01:13:54,140 --> 01:13:45,780
was a person who studies our plants up

1599
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:54,150
here but pili or something you know

1600
01:13:59,420 --> 01:13:56,370
trees and Frandsen yeah

1601
01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:59,430
wildlife plant life like that so if

1602
01:14:03,170 --> 01:14:01,500
somebody would be interested in helping

1603
01:14:05,210 --> 01:14:03,180
me out now and I would certainly look

1604
01:14:06,820 --> 01:14:05,220
into it but you know the scientific

1605
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,830
communities or anyone with any sort of

1606
01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:09,120
scientific qualifications tends not to

1607
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:16,160
go anywhere near these areas do not

1608
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:21,330
actually buy in that you know employed

1609
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:23,310
in mother anymore a lot of them are

1610
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,940
retired so there might be somebody with

1611
01:14:45,650 --> 01:14:28,860
contacts but what you need really for

1612
01:14:53,650 --> 01:14:45,660
this is money we need money that's not

1613
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:53,660
within no I mean everybody's ask you

1614
01:14:57,710 --> 01:14:55,980
sometimes I go you know where's this

1615
01:14:59,980 --> 01:14:57,720
study where's that study have you done

1616
01:15:05,780 --> 01:14:59,990
an archeological dig or something

1617
01:15:08,210 --> 01:15:05,790
logical dig forensic dig or so many I

1618
01:15:09,860 --> 01:15:08,220
don't I'm not knowledgeable enough in

1619
01:15:12,590 --> 01:15:09,870
that area to even attempt such a thing

1620
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:12,600
you know I mean isn't I can only do so

1621
01:15:16,580 --> 01:15:14,760
much you know I mean I can do all the

1622
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:16,590
background research I can go to the area

1623
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:17,730
I can interview witnesses I can have

1624
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:20,280
that stuff analyzed I could do a number

1625
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:22,620
of other things you know but some unless

1626
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:24,090
I learn this unless I've become some

1627
01:15:31,129 --> 01:15:28,289
sort of expert in other areas until then

1628
01:15:32,779 --> 01:15:31,139
somebody who can do those things I can

1629
01:15:34,339 --> 01:15:32,789
let the video analysis I adjacent claims

1630
01:15:39,049 --> 01:15:34,349
do you know he knows how to do that kind

1631
01:15:41,809 --> 01:15:39,059
of stuff and which is which you know is

1632
01:15:43,969 --> 01:15:41,819
some his analysis they looked at and a

1633
01:15:45,979 --> 01:15:43,979
lot of people like it but I know I'm

1634
01:15:48,739 --> 01:15:45,989
somebody else just recently made a video

1635
01:15:53,559 --> 01:15:48,749
and it's a claiming it was a did a video

1636
01:15:57,079 --> 01:15:53,569
called aliens be golf carts do you know

1637
01:16:07,009 --> 01:15:57,089
some somebody called Midwest and his

1638
01:16:09,020 --> 01:16:07,019
real name or yeah this is what he does

1639
01:16:10,309 --> 01:16:09,030
to go around debunking anything it

1640
01:16:24,619 --> 01:16:10,319
doesn't matter what it is you'll debunk

1641
01:16:26,329 --> 01:16:24,629
it even if it's true well you know use a

1642
01:16:28,069 --> 01:16:26,339
thing he says it's not identified either

1643
01:16:30,889 --> 01:16:28,079
he can't find out what it is but he says

1644
01:16:33,049 --> 01:16:30,899
it's not feasible to do it on shaky

1645
01:16:34,549 --> 01:16:33,059
recordings and I'm like it's not all

1646
01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:34,559
shaky may you know you've only used a

1647
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:36,209
couple of seconds of footage the actual

1648
01:16:47,329 --> 01:16:44,010
videos lame and it's long and you don't

1649
01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:47,339
either he downloaded it off from he

1650
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:49,289
downloaded off the Daily Star website or

1651
01:16:53,179 --> 01:16:51,719
he took it from Jason Gliese but I don't

1652
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:53,189
think he took it from Jason because you

1653
01:16:57,770 --> 01:16:54,449
know there's a good section in that

1654
01:16:59,359 --> 01:16:57,780
video in Jason's report he just shows a

1655
01:17:01,339 --> 01:16:59,369
couple of circles he stabilizes the

1656
01:17:02,659 --> 01:17:01,349
image and you know it's interesting I

1657
01:17:03,979 --> 01:17:02,669
mean it just just confirmed what I

1658
01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:03,989
already knew it goes from left to right

1659
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:05,699
and the lights are of different heights

1660
01:17:10,789 --> 01:17:08,729
you know if this is a road and a golf

1661
01:17:12,109 --> 01:17:10,799
course I would expect the life's to soar

1662
01:17:13,699 --> 01:17:12,119
a follow it's similar to pattern if it's

1663
01:17:14,959 --> 01:17:13,709
going up a hill or over a mound there on

1664
01:17:17,059 --> 01:17:14,969
a road it would be in a straight line

1665
01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:17,069
but then why are they why are they

1666
01:17:20,689 --> 01:17:18,989
flying sorry why are they driving golf

1667
01:17:23,779 --> 01:17:20,699
cars around at 3:00 a.m. in the morning

1668
01:17:25,759 --> 01:17:23,789
you make our winds flip in raining night

1669
01:17:28,939 --> 01:17:25,769
the golf kit the golf course is not lit

1670
01:17:30,469 --> 01:17:28,949
and they would have to be doing this for

1671
01:17:32,509 --> 01:17:30,479
10 minutes straight at least you know 9

1672
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:32,519
10 minutes you know the family said they

1673
01:17:36,589 --> 01:17:34,530
observed these lights for 32 you know

1674
01:17:38,419 --> 01:17:36,599
1213 minutes so what what was it a

1675
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:38,429
convoy of golf carts going around I mean

1676
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:40,710
come on get real way

1677
01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:41,850
the thing is is that what they were

1678
01:17:44,510 --> 01:17:43,380
playing xbox or something weren't they

1679
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:44,520
and they were gonna go to bed and

1680
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:46,489
there's when they were kind of what oh

1681
01:18:01,090 --> 01:17:49,560
yeah Alex had finished playing on his

1682
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:03,380
you probably would not have seen it what

1683
01:18:07,610 --> 01:18:04,980
if this whole incident would have been

1684
01:18:10,940 --> 01:18:07,620
lost lost to the last of the post yeah

1685
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,950
but um I mean if people want to know

1686
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:12,239
about the explanations I mean I've

1687
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:13,410
covered just about everything I could

1688
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:15,960
think of feasible yeah I didn't include

1689
01:18:22,850 --> 01:18:18,450
I mean golf carts is interested you know

1690
01:18:25,090 --> 01:18:22,860
it's probably the most original yeah but

1691
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:25,100
then you know I mean that'd be all right

1692
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:28,710
somebody just said he he says it in a

1693
01:18:37,150 --> 01:18:32,010
really dumb stupid spooky sort of like

1694
01:18:42,910 --> 01:18:39,440
you know Mick West or thick pest

1695
01:18:46,670 --> 01:18:42,920
whatever you want to call him like but I

1696
01:18:48,740 --> 01:18:46,680
mean you know if I will say this you

1697
01:18:51,140 --> 01:18:48,750
know I he stabilized the video which is

1698
01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:51,150
interesting and he has done a pretty

1699
01:18:53,420 --> 01:18:52,710
good overlay you know it lines up all

1700
01:18:55,700 --> 01:18:53,430
nice but it

1701
01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:55,710
he's I think he has purposely

1702
01:18:59,890 --> 01:18:57,450
manipulated a part of that footage to

1703
01:19:02,810 --> 01:18:59,900
make it appear more lower to the left I

1704
01:19:04,780 --> 01:19:02,820
mean I don't know I I don't think he I

1705
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:04,790
can't tell for sure but I think he's

1706
01:19:12,530 --> 01:19:06,930
fudged it a little bit just to make it

1707
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:12,540
look more closer to the ground no

1708
01:19:17,290 --> 01:19:13,890
because it could have been like you know

1709
01:19:20,750 --> 01:19:17,300
we do get things at Lund and also

1710
01:19:28,820 --> 01:19:20,760
there's all those other factors support

1711
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:28,830
into play we're like lamp him well I

1712
01:19:32,060 --> 01:19:30,630
mean use of things well I I know the

1713
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,070
layout of that land right and I've

1714
01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:34,080
actually been up to the treeline area

1715
01:19:37,970 --> 01:19:35,670
where that road of the golf course he

1716
01:19:39,770 --> 01:19:37,980
mentions right you cannot see behind

1717
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:39,780
that road you can see the line the

1718
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:41,880
Google Earth image puts on it but if you

1719
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:43,110
went up there right and actually had a

1720
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:44,520
look you can't I'm not I've actually

1721
01:19:48,650 --> 01:19:46,440
been right by that tree line and you

1722
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:48,660
cannot see the golf course no I should

1723
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,640
go over the bank man and down that's how

1724
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:52,560
you're gonna see it so this is not the

1725
01:19:55,730 --> 01:19:54,090
golf course this is not the golf

1726
01:19:57,650 --> 01:19:55,740
this is not the quarry none of those

1727
01:19:59,360 --> 01:19:57,660
areas work at night the farmer was not

1728
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:59,370
out at 3 a.m. in the morning he only

1729
01:20:03,980 --> 01:20:00,780
works in the daytime or maybe just the

1730
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,990
sundown or sunrise you know you'll get

1731
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:06,000
out of sunrise and work til the sun goes

1732
01:20:09,650 --> 01:20:08,310
down because obviously can't do much

1733
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:09,660
admit because it's not a very well-lit

1734
01:20:16,490 --> 01:20:13,020
area anyway you know I mean so getting

1735
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:16,500
onto explanations I looked at usual once

1736
01:20:25,940 --> 01:20:17,730
because a lot of people reckon it was

1737
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:25,950
fireworks fireworks sparklers lamp Eze

1738
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:29,820
campers training people training people

1739
01:20:34,190 --> 01:20:31,800
in vehicles people in cars people with

1740
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:34,200
no cars you know golf carts at cars both

1741
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:45,120
our lights helicopters drones yeah

1742
01:20:48,860 --> 01:20:46,890
electrical arcing I looked at just about

1743
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:48,870
every conceivable thing I could even I

1744
01:20:52,330 --> 01:20:50,850
would say the electrical arcing on a

1745
01:20:59,300 --> 01:20:52,340
power line is probably the most

1746
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:59,310
far-fetched of them all but it's more

1747
01:21:02,710 --> 01:21:00,900
intense but it doesn't do anything like

1748
01:21:05,660 --> 01:21:02,720
that

1749
01:21:08,210 --> 01:21:05,670
so if you know and I you know you put

1750
01:21:09,980 --> 01:21:08,220
Jason's report there you put my analysis

1751
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,990
on it you put the poor witnesses

1752
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:11,760
together and you look at the layout of

1753
01:21:20,860 --> 01:21:17,130
the land I mean you know there's

1754
01:21:27,230 --> 01:21:20,870
literally zero chance it was anything

1755
01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:27,240
mundane yeah there's no way even Dave

1756
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:30,510
said to me well were they out rate

1757
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,730
chopping trees down it no you know

1758
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:34,080
they've got some sort of lights and I

1759
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:36,750
said no I was in a relationship with

1760
01:21:41,180 --> 01:21:39,480
this tree surgeon it's very very

1761
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:41,190
specific about the conditions that you

1762
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:44,810
can work in no high winds no rain and

1763
01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:53,010
not at night too many dangers and

1764
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:55,140
because obviously I said that the some

1765
01:21:58,490 --> 01:21:56,970
of the trees had been removed as they

1766
01:22:01,040 --> 01:21:58,500
are didn't Rendell Sherman Pentair

1767
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:01,050
confirming him or nothing I'm aware it

1768
01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:03,170
was it was Birmingham wasn't it anyway

1769
01:22:06,379 --> 01:22:05,430
it's just not going to happen that it's

1770
01:22:09,950 --> 01:22:06,389
not gonna happen

1771
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:09,960
and go golf carts a very small and light

1772
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:12,330
way and I'm quite sure they would have

1773
01:22:14,830 --> 01:22:13,920
great difficulty and that's a rain in

1774
01:22:18,649 --> 01:22:14,840
that weather

1775
01:22:22,060 --> 01:22:18,659
hmm yeah I mean not the I mean that

1776
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:22,070
bottom heavy I know but they're not some

1777
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:24,600
I've seen them I've seen them tip off

1778
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:26,310
for less than what wind boys are telling

1779
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:31,290
yeah and I mean again I mean what would

1780
01:22:34,729 --> 01:22:33,179
the golf carts doing driving no driving

1781
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:34,739
over a hill one after the other for ten

1782
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:38,730
minutes straight I mean you know if that

1783
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:40,380
was just if that was one golf cart after

1784
01:22:44,359 --> 01:22:42,449
another ten minutes with the golf carts

1785
01:22:50,359 --> 01:22:44,369
going over a hill you can't see for one

1786
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:50,369
thing you know just I mean but you know

1787
01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:51,960
I mean you don't say it's unidentified

1788
01:23:00,140 --> 01:22:58,500
but if he just doesn't explain Jason at

1789
01:23:02,899 --> 01:23:00,150
all it doesn't you know doesn't offer

1790
01:23:04,820 --> 01:23:02,909
what kind of a expertise and analysis

1791
01:23:08,540 --> 01:23:04,830
equipment that he used he just likes to

1792
01:23:11,419 --> 01:23:08,550
do a patronizing video with a silly you

1793
01:23:13,459 --> 01:23:11,429
know silly tone of voice just playing it

1794
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:13,469
down like it's nothing and you know the

1795
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:15,090
original footage I don't think he's used

1796
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:18,000
he seems to have he's done good thing on

1797
01:23:20,780 --> 01:23:19,440
the stabilization of it you know but it

1798
01:23:23,419 --> 01:23:20,790
just confirms me even more that this

1799
01:23:25,310 --> 01:23:23,429
thing is rotating from left to right all

1800
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:25,320
the like fashion that is what I said

1801
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:27,510
from the beginning and he claims it to

1802
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:29,130
be aliens you know I mean I never said

1803
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:31,770
it was friggin aliens I said it was an

1804
01:23:35,090 --> 01:23:33,449
unidentified aerial phenomena that was

1805
01:23:37,700 --> 01:23:35,100
the whole point of this video to prove

1806
01:23:39,919 --> 01:23:37,710
to show evidence that this thing is real

1807
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:39,929
and it's very obviously it's rotating

1808
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:41,850
like that because as soon as I saw it

1809
01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:45,719
within tens of seconds I decided it was

1810
01:23:55,970 --> 01:23:53,820
around about because you've got your

1811
01:24:14,419 --> 01:23:55,980
explanation wrong but even you can see

1812
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:14,429
it was rotating as well I mean some

1813
01:24:18,979 --> 01:24:17,340
lights very well lit yeah and they move

1814
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:18,989
you know they're not obscuring anything

1815
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:19,590
you know the

1816
01:24:24,380 --> 01:24:21,450
is actually shining directly to you and

1817
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,390
it's good you know and then you know I

1818
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:25,920
mean one thing I want to mention is well

1819
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,770
I've talked to I mean Peter Clayton I

1820
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:31,280
mean this is you know Margaret Pritchard

1821
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:34,830
she's seen it she knows the area David

1822
01:24:39,260 --> 01:24:36,690
Williams knows the area you know those

1823
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,270
two were like you know other people who

1824
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:41,280
have me on Peter Glynn he knows the area

1825
01:24:44,540 --> 01:24:42,840
but then you know the family of four

1826
01:24:46,370 --> 01:24:44,550
know this area very well they've lived

1827
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:46,380
there all their lives they know what

1828
01:24:50,060 --> 01:24:48,450
goes on they know the kinds of things

1829
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:50,070
that people get up to at night but this

1830
01:24:55,940 --> 01:24:54,120
this you know those four just itching to

1831
01:24:57,500 --> 01:24:55,950
see it again they hope it comes back

1832
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:57,510
they're always looking to see if it'll

1833
01:25:00,860 --> 01:24:59,460
come back and I'm like why would you get

1834
01:25:08,860 --> 01:25:00,870
that excited over golf carts or

1835
01:25:17,260 --> 01:25:11,390
very much like one thing when it's not

1836
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,270
but this to me it's not easily dismissed

1837
01:25:23,980 --> 01:25:20,400
I'm not a UFO investigator I know this

1838
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:23,990
but I have seen enough analysis and

1839
01:25:30,890 --> 01:25:26,960
footage etc to kind of have a good idea

1840
01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:30,900
but but like everybody else have been so

1841
01:25:34,250 --> 01:25:32,460
complacent that I was just like now I

1842
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,260
know what that is and it's nothing blah

1843
01:25:37,220 --> 01:25:36,000
but when you actually take everything

1844
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:37,230
else all the other factors into account

1845
01:25:42,350 --> 01:25:40,770
it cannot be easily dismissed no well

1846
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:42,360
I'm Jason Gleaves said as well you know

1847
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:46,020
I mean you know this guy's a good look

1848
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:47,970
at it and you know his conclusion it's

1849
01:25:54,260 --> 01:25:50,910
unidentified ya know I take unidentified

1850
01:25:57,380 --> 01:25:54,270
to mean identified an aerial phenomena

1851
01:26:00,440 --> 01:25:57,390
therefore commonly recall the UFO so you

1852
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:00,450
know yeah even you know anyone who looks

1853
01:26:04,940 --> 01:26:03,510
at Cong you know I don't like I said I

1854
01:26:06,410 --> 01:26:04,950
don't say it's alien it could be

1855
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,420
actually terrestrial I don't know but

1856
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,400
you can't identify it either so you know

1857
01:26:13,130 --> 01:26:10,380
and seeing as our government and our

1858
01:26:17,650 --> 01:26:13,140
military clean these things don't exist

1859
01:26:21,380 --> 01:26:17,660
and that it's all you know

1860
01:26:33,020 --> 01:26:21,390
misidentification I don't see how this

1861
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,680
yeah I mean the weather is actually what

1862
01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:39,360
makes it moment compelling because it

1863
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:49,830
could be it just kind of makes it you

1864
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:53,850
know you can write off a lot immediately

1865
01:26:59,120 --> 01:26:56,610
because it was 81 miles an hour winds

1866
01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:59,130
and absolutely torrential rain and like

1867
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:02,280
you've pointed out with the footage in

1868
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:06,570
your very well produced video that you

1869
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:08,730
can see the rain in the lamp with

1870
01:27:15,170 --> 01:27:10,860
underneath the lamppost you can hear the

1871
01:27:16,970 --> 01:27:15,180
wind yeah you know obviously it's a

1872
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:16,980
little bit build up in that estate but

1873
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:18,330
once you get kind of further out away

1874
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:20,489
from where there's gonna be various wind

1875
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:23,250
breaks that wind is gonna knock you

1876
01:27:29,689 --> 01:27:25,500
flying I mean some of the trees might

1877
01:27:31,820 --> 01:27:29,699
have even been some of those cheesemaker

1878
01:27:34,670 --> 01:27:31,830
because of the winds the weather on the

1879
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:34,680
night but I mean there's one say this

1880
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:36,420
quick there's one tree that really took

1881
01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:38,520
my interest I mean it looks like

1882
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:40,199
somebody just not at all well you know I

1883
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:42,810
mean it's like they accidentally tipped

1884
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:44,250
it all right they've snapped some trees

1885
01:27:47,540 --> 01:27:45,420
in the distance you know I mean you

1886
01:27:49,820 --> 01:27:47,550
haven't really done a good job of

1887
01:27:51,020 --> 01:27:49,830
cutting area they just took as much as

1888
01:27:52,670 --> 01:27:51,030
they could and left the rest you know I

1889
01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:52,680
mean so it's quite possible that big

1890
01:28:08,120 --> 01:27:58,260
tree that you pointed out it's quite

1891
01:28:11,780 --> 01:28:08,130
possible how large an area is that has

1892
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:11,790
been felled just don't think so not

1893
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:13,380
without the rest of it being taken out

1894
01:28:19,220 --> 01:28:15,930
and in in fact you can see there's like

1895
01:28:21,530 --> 01:28:19,230
almost in the Google image before it's

1896
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:21,540
like that patch of it is extra green and

1897
01:28:26,660 --> 01:28:25,199
then then it's gone yeah it's the more

1898
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:26,670
healthy look in the forest and that

1899
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:28,530
helped the forest is the one has been

1900
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:36,900
taken away the end of it keep something

1901
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,940
going because my brain was going people

1902
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:46,560
intrigued you know then I'm doing much

1903
01:28:50,630 --> 01:28:49,050
like yeah well I am very dismissive over

1904
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:50,640
a lot of things these days because of

1905
01:28:55,460 --> 01:28:52,530
just being calm so many times and I've

1906
01:28:57,230 --> 01:28:55,470
believed some right crap you know but

1907
01:28:59,060 --> 01:28:57,240
you don't you don't know until you know

1908
01:29:00,500 --> 01:28:59,070
and it's a it's a learning process for

1909
01:29:02,060 --> 01:29:00,510
everybody so I think you know when

1910
01:29:03,710 --> 01:29:02,070
others are a bit dismissive of other

1911
01:29:05,690 --> 01:29:03,720
people and not knowing as much it should

1912
01:29:08,990 --> 01:29:05,700
be patient because we all started

1913
01:29:10,820 --> 01:29:09,000
somewhere yeah but you've obviously you

1914
01:29:12,830 --> 01:29:10,830
know you've got it's not like you're

1915
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:12,840
just kind of like I'm blindly believing

1916
01:29:19,010 --> 01:29:15,540
you very kind of you know you are

1917
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:19,020
running through checklists and she's on

1918
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:20,850
the spot coming up with things you know

1919
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:22,920
it's not like he just got oh wow yeah

1920
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:24,810
and accepting everything for what you

1921
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:29,370
say you were quite analytical I tried to

1922
01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:34,290
be about 20 minutes to watch but that

1923
01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:36,060
was because I couldn't get it to play on

1924
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,500
my phone last night but I thought well

1925
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:39,360
my phone does actually need empty and

1926
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:41,910
I've got like it's 50 gig of space on it

1927
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:48,450
and it seemed that it's full because I

1928
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:50,400
mean an object

1929
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:53,370
I think bit shoot is a still a very new

1930
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:55,770
website but I mean unless maybe it's

1931
01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:57,120
something to do with apps or you know

1932
01:30:03,170 --> 01:30:01,500
the hardware that people are using it

1933
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:03,180
was just to fold to be able to cope with

1934
01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:05,130
it so what did doesn't set up an account

1935
01:30:12,350 --> 01:30:10,260
today and you know I thought maybe maybe

1936
01:30:16,730 --> 01:30:12,360
Annie didn't account I'll get one anyway

1937
01:30:18,380 --> 01:30:16,740
because it's pretty good sign so so I

1938
01:30:20,930 --> 01:30:18,390
set up my account and went on and it

1939
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:20,940
played fine so I think it's probably

1940
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:26,880
just my phone struggling yeah I honestly

1941
01:30:33,230 --> 01:30:28,980
think that the production of the video

1942
01:30:34,940 --> 01:30:33,240
is very slick as well it's not like some

1943
01:30:36,380 --> 01:30:34,950
of the ones I say with Myles Johnson he

1944
01:30:37,940 --> 01:30:36,390
puts his videos out there looks like

1945
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:37,950
he's got two bits of footage and just

1946
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:39,900
put them in two trains and I didn't that

1947
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,380
dog collision and you know just

1948
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:48,480
something I do try and do now when I'm

1949
01:30:54,980 --> 01:30:51,090
because I know it I mean I would say

1950
01:30:57,140 --> 01:30:54,990
insult on this one case with editing

1951
01:30:58,490 --> 01:30:57,150
research and travelling and interviews

1952
01:31:01,300 --> 01:30:58,500
and everything else I've probably put

1953
01:31:03,770 --> 01:31:01,310
enough or a cover you know maybe

1954
01:31:06,500 --> 01:31:03,780
you know that's that's actual work time

1955
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:06,510
you know what I mean get it all done and

1956
01:31:11,689 --> 01:31:09,270
I know you know I've got a pretty good

1957
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:11,699
software for making films actually

1958
01:31:14,590 --> 01:31:13,530
filmora is pretty pretty useful for

1959
01:31:16,430 --> 01:31:14,600
anyone who wants to make a good

1960
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:16,440
good-looking documentary even an

1961
01:31:28,669 --> 01:31:26,899
it's a very good software I mean it

1962
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:28,679
takes a while to get used to but it's

1963
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:33,199
very it's got very good very good

1964
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:38,730
I'm looking for you yes the tools as

1965
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:42,719
well for I'm creating a lot of prettier

1966
01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:44,250
a lot of good videos I've made a few

1967
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:46,500
videos right now actually it's very good

1968
01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:48,570
you know I mean as you say you know you

1969
01:31:58,910 --> 01:31:50,940
can do good things with it

1970
01:32:06,919 --> 01:31:58,920
yeah you know it was a nice video to

1971
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:06,929
watch when they're trying to show

1972
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:08,610
something that's fine you do what you do

1973
01:32:15,050 --> 01:32:11,610
I am NOT a you know an editor or

1974
01:32:16,669 --> 01:32:15,060
anything I'm kind of slowly clunking my

1975
01:32:19,820 --> 01:32:16,679
way through all these things now I've

1976
01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:19,830
got a PC trying to you know get my head

1977
01:32:22,939 --> 01:32:21,420
around all this so I can do my own stuff

1978
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,949
and my producer can dive nervous

1979
01:32:27,709 --> 01:32:24,239
breakdowns every time I send him

1980
01:32:30,189 --> 01:32:27,719
something so like oh by the way it's got

1981
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:30,199
16 bricks in it and things like that so

1982
01:32:36,830 --> 01:32:34,250
yeah and I'm gonna be putting some video

1983
01:32:39,380 --> 01:32:36,840
stuff together myself obviously with my

1984
01:32:40,970 --> 01:32:39,390
investigation and like when I you were

1985
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:40,980
kind of trying to get on top of what I

1986
01:32:54,919 --> 01:32:43,170
was saying in my investigation it's like

1987
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:54,929
yeah it's like maybe 70 blogs not many

1988
01:32:57,649 --> 01:32:56,250
people will probably spend that much

1989
01:32:59,180 --> 01:32:57,659
time reading so many blogs so what you

1990
01:33:04,120 --> 01:32:59,190
go do is you got to condense all this

1991
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:04,130
information down into like a sort of I

1992
01:33:07,220 --> 01:33:05,940
wanted to make it about an hour I

1993
01:33:09,290 --> 01:33:07,230
thought it would be about an hour but by

1994
01:33:11,780 --> 01:33:09,300
the time I put everything else in it

1995
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,790
came to an hour and 15 so it's been 75

1996
01:33:15,830 --> 01:33:14,159
minutes of very good footage

1997
01:33:17,689 --> 01:33:15,840
I will say you know the one thing I also

1998
01:33:19,340 --> 01:33:17,699
want to mention is them you know I do

1999
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:19,350
find the family at the end and they did

2000
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:22,290
they should be commended because for

2001
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,760
coming forward and anyone else who's

2002
01:33:27,470 --> 01:33:25,920
ever spoken about their cases because

2003
01:33:29,629 --> 01:33:27,480
the one thing I get really sick and

2004
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:29,639
tired of is everyone calling especially

2005
01:33:33,020 --> 01:33:31,110
on their keyboards on Facebook you know

2006
01:33:34,340 --> 01:33:33,030
sit behind a screen Gordo this is

2007
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:34,350
absolute rubbish you're a complete

2008
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:36,090
crackpot you stupid person this and that

2009
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:37,770
but then if you know these people meet

2010
01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:39,210
you meet them face-to-face and you have

2011
01:33:43,129 --> 01:33:40,980
a sit-down and travel and it's a totally

2012
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:43,139
different thing they get criticized and

2013
01:34:00,709 --> 01:33:46,050
ridiculed and ashamed about the way

2014
01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:00,719
people behave all the time I mean I'm

2015
01:34:03,379 --> 01:34:01,980
not interested in dealing with people

2016
01:34:06,260 --> 01:34:03,389
like I mean the people who work or

2017
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:06,270
whoever a genuine interest those are the

2018
01:34:09,169 --> 01:34:07,739
ones I want to grab because you know the

2019
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:09,179
other ones were sort of still on the

2020
01:34:13,970 --> 01:34:12,690
fence about it yeah may not mean what

2021
01:34:16,939 --> 01:34:13,980
they even maybe they even want to

2022
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:16,949
believe but I mean you know these these

2023
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:19,050
people have given me their time their

2024
01:34:23,060 --> 01:34:21,330
energy their effort their patience and

2025
01:34:24,979 --> 01:34:23,070
despite everything that's happened to

2026
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:24,989
them you know I've yeah one of the

2027
01:34:28,610 --> 01:34:26,850
things I wanted to do was like basically

2028
01:34:30,350 --> 01:34:28,620
I develop ram it down the doubters Frost

2029
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:30,360
and say look yeah you know I would look

2030
01:34:39,169 --> 01:34:33,239
at that I mean I saw men even hostile or

2031
01:34:40,970 --> 01:34:39,179
anything but sometimes you know so the

2032
01:34:43,250 --> 01:34:40,980
attitude on some people just doesn't

2033
01:34:46,729 --> 01:34:43,260
change I think they either enjoy or they

2034
01:34:48,379 --> 01:34:46,739
pay you to do it either way this sad and

2035
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:48,389
then if we get aggressive about to go

2036
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:49,920
well we're not gonna listen so I was

2037
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,239
like oh it's like what is what makes me

2038
01:35:05,959 --> 01:35:03,360
the best promise on this is absolute

2039
01:35:11,090 --> 01:35:05,969
rubbish all this is absolute crap it's

2040
01:35:14,570 --> 01:35:11,100
like impossible when the same possible

2041
01:35:16,129 --> 01:35:14,580
that's my favorite one yeah but they

2042
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:16,139
totally dismiss it right from the word

2043
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:18,090
go you know they're not not it's like

2044
01:35:20,959 --> 01:35:19,440
none of it is true none of it makes

2045
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:20,969
sense none of it is real there's no

2046
01:35:37,740 --> 01:35:35,090
like try and convince somebody it's like

2047
01:35:40,230 --> 01:35:37,750
putting it all together it's up to you

2048
01:35:44,010 --> 01:35:40,240
foresee to see it for what it is you

2049
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:44,020
know and know that we all either like

2050
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:47,650
yesterday there was a on grant Cameron's

2051
01:35:52,230 --> 01:35:50,110
pages an article and a little thing

2052
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:52,240
about Sid Goldberg and John Lennon's

2053
01:36:00,060 --> 01:35:55,330
golden eggs it allegedly gave you a

2054
01:36:03,810 --> 01:36:00,070
Geller and the story is that that URI

2055
01:36:05,550 --> 01:36:03,820
says John saw an alien and it handed him

2056
01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:05,560
this thing so he's just giving it away

2057
01:36:08,130 --> 01:36:07,720
to me I was like I find that hard to

2058
01:36:10,290 --> 01:36:08,140
believe

2059
01:36:13,890 --> 01:36:10,300
and this woman said to me you just don't

2060
01:36:16,140 --> 01:36:13,900
get it these people have gifts and did

2061
01:36:19,050 --> 01:36:16,150
it to the dirt and I said I do get it I

2062
01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:19,060
absolutely get it what I get is that the

2063
01:36:23,940 --> 01:36:21,190
brain believes what it wants to believe

2064
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:23,950
yeah and then it's very difficult to

2065
01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:26,260
talk yourself out of what the brain has

2066
01:36:31,770 --> 01:36:29,500
told you that you believe there's so

2067
01:36:33,390 --> 01:36:31,780
many con men on the scene and they're

2068
01:36:36,690 --> 01:36:33,400
the ones that are making them on money

2069
01:36:37,970 --> 01:36:36,700
and the biggest noise usually are the

2070
01:36:40,620 --> 01:36:37,980
ones that you need to look closely at

2071
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:40,630
you know it's easy to tell a big story

2072
01:36:48,690 --> 01:36:43,690
and and people think well why would

2073
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,700
anybody lie like that well I mean you

2074
01:36:52,050 --> 01:36:50,320
know I've got two very big cases here

2075
01:36:53,310 --> 01:36:52,060
like you know the Debian Pantera but

2076
01:36:56,370 --> 01:36:53,320
these people are not making any money

2077
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:56,380
off of it funny they're not making

2078
01:36:59,730 --> 01:36:57,850
themselves famous they're not people

2079
01:37:01,560 --> 01:36:59,740
lining up with checkbooks say can I do

2080
01:37:03,150 --> 01:37:01,570
this for you and all that stuff no if

2081
01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:03,160
anything you know it's it's the

2082
01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:05,740
completely opposite okay they're getting

2083
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:07,750
constantly ridiculed and attacked by

2084
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:10,330
anyone doesn't want to know what you

2085
01:37:14,670 --> 01:37:11,770
know because your friends a little

2086
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:14,680
bubble will though whatever they're not

2087
01:37:17,850 --> 01:37:16,570
making any money from it if anything I

2088
01:37:19,530 --> 01:37:17,860
don't make any money off of this is

2089
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:19,540
costing me money but I do it because I'd

2090
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:21,460
know there's a truth and a passion comes

2091
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:26,770
with it and you know in my entire time

2092
01:37:31,650 --> 01:37:29,110
of doing anything the amount of money

2093
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:31,660
that has come my way over the years is a

2094
01:37:38,850 --> 01:37:34,930
hundred and ninety pounds but the amount

2095
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,860
of money that I've spent three hundred

2096
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:40,800
million times that much

2097
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:44,460
you know I mean it's just not about the

2098
01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:45,930
money it's about having questions

2099
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:48,270
answered isn't it and I mean well I I

2100
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:50,910
think you know as I look at the world

2101
01:37:55,820 --> 01:37:53,970
now and the way it is it's like there's

2102
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:55,830
only really one thing that could really

2103
01:38:00,380 --> 01:37:58,400
change people's wait wait I mean it's

2104
01:38:03,410 --> 01:38:00,390
it's a corrupt world

2105
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:03,420
it's totally it's totally controlled by

2106
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:07,440
a few elite elements and all they do is

2107
01:38:13,070 --> 01:38:11,400
just rot rot everything down and you

2108
01:38:14,420 --> 01:38:13,080
know you soften it the world is just it

2109
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:14,430
will just go in to hell in a handbasket

2110
01:38:18,710 --> 01:38:17,040
and yeah it's completely crazy and it's

2111
01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:18,720
like the only thing I reckon now that

2112
01:38:24,020 --> 01:38:22,110
could give us some some kind of a hope

2113
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:24,030
for the future is the disclosure of the

2114
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:27,210
UFO et phenomena yeah you know I mean

2115
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:31,290
that would certainly get people's heads

2116
01:38:36,020 --> 01:38:32,760
turning in the right direction in terms

2117
01:38:38,150 --> 01:38:36,030
of like life beyond this world or that

2118
01:38:39,860 --> 01:38:38,160
there have been visitations and there

2119
01:38:42,050 --> 01:38:39,870
are technologies we have now that could

2120
01:38:45,860 --> 01:38:42,060
really improve the situation in terms of

2121
01:38:48,500 --> 01:38:45,870
pollution and destroying our habitat and

2122
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:48,510
everything just improve people's lives I

2123
01:38:53,150 --> 01:38:50,130
mean there's it's all kinds of stuff

2124
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:53,160
that I'm aware of that unfortunately

2125
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:54,930
we'll never make it into the mainstream

2126
01:38:59,600 --> 01:38:57,810
world of our technology in our daily

2127
01:39:09,440 --> 01:38:59,610
lives because there's just too many

2128
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:09,450
companies and and he said that you know

2129
01:39:13,970 --> 01:39:11,730
the UFO phenomena itself is really

2130
01:39:14,510 --> 01:39:13,980
exciting but the UFO scene is really

2131
01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:14,520
boring

2132
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:17,070
and his fiancee Pandora's box she said

2133
01:39:20,990 --> 01:39:19,050
that she thinks that that's on purpose

2134
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:21,000
to make it so dull that people are not

2135
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:22,380
interested in there and I thought was a

2136
01:39:26,630 --> 01:39:23,970
really good point because you know

2137
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:26,640
controlled is controlled there is an

2138
01:39:33,700 --> 01:39:30,480
elite group that kind of dictate how

2139
01:39:37,070 --> 01:39:33,710
things roll yeah in ufology

2140
01:39:40,370 --> 01:39:37,080
and Donathan ditchwater

2141
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:40,380
a lot of the time I mean you know I find

2142
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:43,770
a lot of it's hideous it's like what can

2143
01:39:48,430 --> 01:39:45,840
we tell from the outside of a craft how

2144
01:39:52,090 --> 01:39:48,440
big it is maybe how fast it can go maybe

2145
01:39:54,890 --> 01:39:52,100
what color it is what shape it is and

2146
01:39:59,149 --> 01:39:54,900
maybe how high it was

2147
01:40:02,120 --> 01:39:59,159
and how fast it travels and that's it so

2148
01:40:04,939 --> 01:40:02,130
it's down to the personality that's

2149
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:04,949
delivering these things really and a lot

2150
01:40:10,549 --> 01:40:08,449
of them are just droning on

2151
01:40:12,649 --> 01:40:10,559
regurgitating things that have been

2152
01:40:14,839 --> 01:40:12,659
already debunked but then there's these

2153
01:40:18,589 --> 01:40:14,849
other layers of ufology we've got people

2154
01:40:22,459 --> 01:40:18,599
like Robbie you know those others they

2155
01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:22,469
just did there they're being really real

2156
01:40:25,879 --> 01:40:24,840
about it and they are quite funny people

2157
01:40:28,339 --> 01:40:25,889
and personally you know good

2158
01:40:31,879 --> 01:40:28,349
personalities but even though they've

2159
01:40:34,279 --> 01:40:31,889
got books coming out and they're really

2160
01:40:36,259 --> 01:40:34,289
really quality they're still not getting

2161
01:40:38,989 --> 01:40:36,269
the accolade all the attention that I

2162
01:40:41,449 --> 01:40:38,999
think that they should know they don't

2163
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:41,459
they don't make it on anything I mean if

2164
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:44,670
they do get onto anybody of genuine real

2165
01:40:50,209 --> 01:40:48,780
genuine interest and truth in the UFO

2166
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:50,219
community or anything to do with such

2167
01:40:56,419 --> 01:40:53,010
things normally just get shunned aside

2168
01:40:58,910 --> 01:40:56,429
for someone who I mean I I saw what I

2169
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,920
saw a couple of months back I think if

2170
01:41:02,540 --> 01:41:00,239
there's a channel free show and it's

2171
01:41:05,049 --> 01:41:02,550
like I got married to an alien had sex

2172
01:41:07,729 --> 01:41:05,059
with its brother you know what I mean

2173
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:07,739
and the person talking is made it's just

2174
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:09,690
rambling on and ranting in all kinds of

2175
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:11,130
directions not being clear enough

2176
01:41:16,879 --> 01:41:15,209
anything honest like you know I could I

2177
01:41:18,199 --> 01:41:16,889
could think of at least it you know six

2178
01:41:20,209 --> 01:41:18,209
or seven other interesting things to

2179
01:41:22,250 --> 01:41:20,219
talk about people have real genuine you

2180
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:22,260
know people in these cases or cars or

2181
01:41:26,029 --> 01:41:24,449
you know in the Panzer Corps you know

2182
01:41:27,020 --> 01:41:26,039
the family of four in them being I'll

2183
01:41:40,819 --> 01:41:27,030
date would tell you some really

2184
01:41:47,839 --> 01:41:40,829
interesting things like my boyfriend is

2185
01:41:51,529 --> 01:41:47,849
an e an octopus alien and I have you

2186
01:41:53,810 --> 01:41:51,539
know they are these idiots on and it's

2187
01:41:58,069 --> 01:41:53,820
like why do they do that to us what if

2188
01:41:59,449 --> 01:41:58,079
this is stupid

2189
01:42:00,979 --> 01:41:59,459
yeah they don't have all these other

2190
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:00,989
people on there really like you say it

2191
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:03,510
cars I mean I I think I can talk about

2192
01:42:08,570 --> 01:42:06,510
the UFO situation with a modicum of

2193
01:42:11,480 --> 01:42:08,580
intelligence

2194
01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:11,490
without you know and some science behind

2195
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:13,140
it this is possible this is possible

2196
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:15,210
this is possible no oh I know what it is

2197
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:17,610
and this is how it is and there you know

2198
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:19,890
the but I'm not saying I want to be on

2199
01:42:22,970 --> 01:42:21,030
telly all the time or anything like that

2200
01:42:27,140 --> 01:42:22,980
I'm just saying there's people who can

2201
01:42:29,690 --> 01:42:27,150
articulate these things well and that

2202
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:29,700
that it would be so refreshing to see

2203
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,530
something like that and all of the TV

2204
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:34,080
shows they're always hit pieces and it's

2205
01:42:41,870 --> 01:42:36,930
like Oh yawn how easy is that

2206
01:42:45,170 --> 01:42:41,880
you lazy get why not do so why not do

2207
01:42:48,230 --> 01:42:45,180
something that we are all going to find

2208
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:48,240
interesting and please no more Roswell

2209
01:42:52,610 --> 01:42:50,460
in these in every single show all right

2210
01:42:55,850 --> 01:42:52,620
he's got this place in the history of

2211
01:42:57,980 --> 01:42:55,860
ufology it's such a but why are we still

2212
01:43:01,820 --> 01:42:57,990
talking about all the old stuff with

2213
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,830
there's so many things that's a really

2214
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:03,840
really worthy of discussion and exposure

2215
01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:06,210
that are completely ignored and that

2216
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:08,100
makes me think that these events that

2217
01:43:14,780 --> 01:43:12,930
are always ad are not UFO incidents not

2218
01:43:17,210 --> 01:43:14,790
genuine ones that just appear to have

2219
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:17,220
been and maybe it being some sort of

2220
01:43:22,580 --> 01:43:19,890
like with Roswell for example some kind

2221
01:43:24,170 --> 01:43:22,590
of technology test with Rendlesham for

2222
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:24,180
example that could have been something

2223
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:26,970
along those lines as well so it's like

2224
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:28,440
oh let's look at those because they're

2225
01:43:33,050 --> 01:43:30,210
not and then while everything else gets

2226
01:43:35,450 --> 01:43:33,060
you know shipped in the gutter I find it

2227
01:43:37,460 --> 01:43:35,460
very suspicious yeah

2228
01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:37,470
I'm Sasha kind of stir I need a part I

2229
01:43:42,740 --> 01:43:39,960
needed just run downstairs quickly go

2230
01:47:05,560 --> 01:43:42,750
back to in about two minutes I'm just

2231
01:47:31,010 --> 01:47:27,050
well hello all right so where was I were

2232
01:47:52,729 --> 01:47:31,020
talking about suspicious that they don't

2233
01:47:55,209 --> 01:47:52,739
take it seriously okay so what's next

2234
01:48:02,870 --> 01:47:55,219
for you thank re

2235
01:48:05,180 --> 01:48:02,880
well I think what's next no I mean these

2236
01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:05,190
are two very big cases that I've spent

2237
01:48:09,670 --> 01:48:07,320
nearly pentacle and it's been a year and

2238
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,680
a half now the other one has been a year

2239
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:12,239
two big projects on the go at the same

2240
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:14,760
time which have come to a conclusion in

2241
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:17,510
terms of investigations but I know I'm

2242
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:20,219
somebody's asking us are we going to

2243
01:48:24,830 --> 01:48:22,610
write a book for the Pentek UFO incident

2244
01:48:33,220 --> 01:48:24,840
that might be something that might be

2245
01:48:42,860 --> 01:48:39,920
there's more on this even though it

2246
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:42,870
doesn't state yes there was something on

2247
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:44,489
you well like they're not saying to you

2248
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:50,810
from the foyer yes the other saying

2249
01:48:55,700 --> 01:48:53,310
sorry we can't tell you about that mind

2250
01:48:57,620 --> 01:48:55,710
your own beeswax so they're not saying

2251
01:48:59,810 --> 01:48:57,630
nothing's happened and there was no

2252
01:49:02,090 --> 01:48:59,820
incidents and there was no exercise or

2253
01:49:05,570 --> 01:49:02,100
no nothing they're just saying can't

2254
01:49:07,490 --> 01:49:05,580
tell you well even by their own answers

2255
01:49:10,850 --> 01:49:07,500
where they're trying out when they're

2256
01:49:12,569 --> 01:49:10,860
trying to hide behind section 26 you

2257
01:49:13,979 --> 01:49:12,579
know they're kind of confirming the

2258
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:13,989
the kind of answer in the question for

2259
01:49:21,149 --> 01:49:16,090
us it also maybe they're answering it

2260
01:49:22,589 --> 01:49:21,159
without being direct you know yeah we've

2261
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:22,599
got a lot of evidence of the parents

2262
01:49:28,919 --> 01:49:26,800
attic UFO incident I mean I'd love I'd

2263
01:49:30,810 --> 01:49:28,929
love that if the people came forward

2264
01:49:34,140 --> 01:49:30,820
with stuff maybe even a whistleblower

2265
01:49:38,939 --> 01:49:34,150
from the military if someone ever ever

2266
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:38,949
wanted to I do believe there's plenty of

2267
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:53,760
for a long time even just snippet of

2268
01:49:57,060 --> 01:49:55,449
information come forward now it's just

2269
01:49:59,040 --> 01:49:57,070
gonna go to a very nice pile of what we

2270
01:50:01,919 --> 01:49:59,050
got now anyway so I'm probably gonna

2271
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:01,929
write a book on that with cars thing

2272
01:50:07,859 --> 01:50:04,690
that happens there then be lights for

2273
01:50:08,850 --> 01:50:07,869
now I guess I'll just let the video

2274
01:50:13,620 --> 01:50:08,860
speak for itself

2275
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:13,630
yeah I am looking to do a website now

2276
01:50:18,990 --> 01:50:15,840
which should be ready to go soon

2277
01:50:20,490 --> 01:50:19,000
just just a sort of update I'll be

2278
01:50:25,740 --> 01:50:20,500
adding all this information anyway I'm

2279
01:50:36,089 --> 01:50:25,750
more yeah I mean it's just I mean unless

2280
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:36,099
something big comes along again coming

2281
01:50:40,049 --> 01:50:38,110
to our club meetings and everything I

2282
01:50:41,850 --> 01:50:40,059
won't mention his name no but he's had a

2283
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:41,860
lot of UFO sightings and some of them

2284
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:44,650
very very interestingly match up to the

2285
01:50:47,939 --> 01:50:46,449
date not long after the Penn circle UFO

2286
01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:47,949
and said he was being he's been seeing

2287
01:50:57,569 --> 01:50:51,070
them red and yellow sorry red and green

2288
01:51:01,709 --> 01:50:57,579
orbs casts so red and green barrels

2289
01:51:03,660 --> 01:51:01,719
don't show you this I've also heard

2290
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:03,670
recently Ohio say I'll have to remember

2291
01:51:09,299 --> 01:51:05,710
and I'll let you know somebody else

2292
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:09,309
seeing lights and objects that looked

2293
01:51:13,729 --> 01:51:11,170
like it was full of static which is

2294
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:13,739
something that has kind of described

2295
01:51:21,629 --> 01:51:17,679
that the inside of these barrels that

2296
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:21,639
were green and orange red were like

2297
01:51:32,509 --> 01:51:31,129
remember yeah but I mean it seems like

2298
01:51:34,899 --> 01:51:32,519
you know that if there's anything

2299
01:51:37,580 --> 01:51:34,909
interesting in terms of a timeline for

2300
01:51:38,290 --> 01:51:37,590
elantra simp n Turk and surrounding

2301
01:51:42,740 --> 01:51:38,300
areas

2302
01:51:44,839 --> 01:51:42,750
there's um you know his site things on

2303
01:51:47,029 --> 01:51:44,849
that one alone know he's been seeing red

2304
01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:47,039
and green barrels or red and green or

2305
01:51:51,229 --> 01:51:49,860
like things flying around no yesterday

2306
01:51:52,910 --> 01:51:51,239
no in the months that followed it

2307
01:51:54,399 --> 01:51:52,920
actually so that's interesting because I

2308
01:51:57,740 --> 01:51:54,409
reckon those things are still there but

2309
01:52:00,649 --> 01:51:57,750
obviously now there are the hiding

2310
01:52:05,060 --> 01:52:00,659
themselves all that being seen in more

2311
01:52:08,299 --> 01:52:05,070
dispersed around the UK now so what I'm

2312
01:52:11,270 --> 01:52:08,309
thinking I'm gonna the den be lights

2313
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:11,280
probably I will my dogs are barking

2314
01:52:23,419 --> 01:52:17,280
about I thinks I'm just coming yeah just

2315
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:23,429
come on they are very interesting these

2316
01:52:27,740 --> 01:52:25,800
little Scout things aren't they cause

2317
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:27,750
they're not really big enough for people

2318
01:52:32,839 --> 01:52:30,719
to be in them and obviously one of them

2319
01:52:35,359 --> 01:52:32,849
had some sort of capability where it

2320
01:52:40,220 --> 01:52:35,369
emitted a beam of whatever which

2321
01:52:42,979 --> 01:52:40,230
appeared excuse me to scan cows when she

2322
01:52:45,319 --> 01:52:42,989
was stood on that fence yeah she she

2323
01:52:46,609 --> 01:52:45,329
said to me was that I just waved at it

2324
01:52:48,169 --> 01:52:46,619
because I didn't know what else to do I

2325
01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:48,179
didn't want it to think I was hostile so

2326
01:52:58,069 --> 01:52:55,860
I just kind of waved I don't know if you

2327
01:52:59,330 --> 01:52:58,079
saw the video that we did we did an

2328
01:53:03,709 --> 01:52:59,340
update on that one the third year

2329
01:53:07,009 --> 01:53:03,719
anniversary update yes it's on that

2330
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:07,019
channel where they ordered the other one

2331
01:53:13,279 --> 01:53:09,570
that was you know that was a couple of

2332
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:13,289
things actually but um you know that was

2333
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,880
a all of the Freedom of Information

2334
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:16,800
request that came back to us because

2335
01:53:20,990 --> 01:53:18,960
they sort of finalized a lot of the

2336
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,000
things we've been doing yeah they just

2337
01:53:24,589 --> 01:53:22,800
confirms that you know there were loud

2338
01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:24,599
explosions outside the hospital there

2339
01:53:30,500 --> 01:53:28,050
were military men in the fields of

2340
01:53:33,950 --> 01:53:30,510
Pentek the weeks following this there

2341
01:53:35,390 --> 01:53:33,960
were people doing mountain searches till

2342
01:53:39,740 --> 01:53:35,400
that you know draw the early hours of

2343
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:39,750
morning lunch was in common yeah I'm

2344
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:42,330
you know all other areas the South Wales

2345
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:44,370
Police were not notified the hospital

2346
01:53:48,350 --> 01:53:45,810
were not notified but then suddenly they

2347
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:48,360
had evidence showing that but I mean

2348
01:53:52,220 --> 01:53:50,490
they say they've got emails but it's

2349
01:53:54,250 --> 01:53:52,230
like you don't have you just given me

2350
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:54,260
extracts what can I see the full email

2351
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:56,250
saying that you saying that you would

2352
01:53:59,630 --> 01:53:57,570
notify but that you know you don't have

2353
01:54:05,870 --> 01:53:59,640
any records and oh yeah all the officers

2354
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:05,880
involved are retired all what else did

2355
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:07,650
they say you know but you said nothing

2356
01:54:27,530 --> 01:54:08,970
happened but then all all people

2357
01:54:30,770 --> 01:54:27,540
involved were retired am i involved to

2358
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:30,780
play by Tony blown it was the in this

2359
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:34,410
country but other you know leading

2360
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:38,010
figures the where this joint operational

2361
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:40,170
fascist concept that was being talked

2362
01:54:47,690 --> 01:54:44,880
about like in 2012 I read this document

2363
01:54:49,460 --> 01:54:47,700
and it was about how our forces are

2364
01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:49,470
changing and we are kind of being

2365
01:54:54,260 --> 01:54:52,710
squished together with the Americans and

2366
01:54:58,250 --> 01:54:54,270
we've got to kind of get ourselves into

2367
01:55:00,380 --> 01:54:58,260
line with their standards by 2020 and

2368
01:55:03,790 --> 01:55:00,390
right now in this country there are

2369
01:55:07,340 --> 01:55:03,800
10,000 troops who are on this massive

2370
01:55:10,010 --> 01:55:07,350
exercise it doesn't say what you got

2371
01:55:12,710 --> 01:55:10,020
Trump talking about space forces you've

2372
01:55:14,330 --> 01:55:12,720
got all this going on and obviously Tony

2373
01:55:24,620 --> 01:55:14,340
Blair's now wanting to start an EU

2374
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:24,630
military as well so but she to me and I

2375
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:25,920
know that we've got some crazy

2376
01:55:31,940 --> 01:55:27,930
technology capabilities which is why I

2377
01:55:34,820 --> 01:55:31,950
say at first one we saw the you know the

2378
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:34,830
craft in Wales towards our perceptions

2379
01:55:40,070 --> 01:55:37,410
where it's an alien craft it's come from

2380
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:40,080
blah know at no point did we think that

2381
01:55:43,190 --> 01:55:41,520
this might be going on off all over the

2382
01:55:45,890 --> 01:55:43,200
world and there was an invasion from

2383
01:55:48,710 --> 01:55:45,900
Italy enough but we did think it was

2384
01:55:51,940 --> 01:55:48,720
full of aliens and now I know that

2385
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:51,950
obviously we've had this anti-gravity

2386
01:55:57,140 --> 01:55:55,050
understood and have been since the 50s

2387
01:56:00,160 --> 01:55:57,150
so I can only imagine what we've got now

2388
01:56:03,860 --> 01:56:00,170
and that may be this craft that we saw

2389
01:56:07,010 --> 01:56:03,870
was actually terrestrials some kind of

2390
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:07,020
funky prototype are a part of a fleet of

2391
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:11,250
whatever's there you know and also that

2392
01:56:16,430 --> 01:56:13,920
could have been the case in pen so that

2393
01:56:19,220 --> 01:56:16,440
this bloody giant thing that appeared

2394
01:56:25,420 --> 01:56:19,230
from nowhere which I found very hard to

2395
01:56:30,860 --> 01:56:27,860
cosmic sea with distinction on this one

2396
01:56:33,950 --> 01:56:30,870
and very adamant to you know because she

2397
01:56:38,450 --> 01:56:33,960
say it's not military this just this

2398
01:56:40,490 --> 01:56:38,460
came from somewhere else a lot of

2399
01:56:45,950 --> 01:56:40,500
research on that one investigation a few

2400
01:56:48,430 --> 01:56:45,960
work and everything you know an

2401
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:48,440
interdimensional craft of some kind well

2402
01:56:54,890 --> 01:56:50,610
in 1980

2403
01:56:57,410 --> 01:56:54,900
the cash Landrum case that that craft

2404
01:57:02,150 --> 01:56:57,420
that was flanked by fleets of

2405
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:02,160
helicopters that burnt the two women

2406
01:57:08,930 --> 01:57:05,130
that was exactly the same sort of shape

2407
01:57:12,740 --> 01:57:08,940
and size that has described what case

2408
01:57:14,900 --> 01:57:12,750
was a sari again - one dirham it was a

2409
01:57:17,540 --> 01:57:14,910
Christmas weekend of 1980 the same

2410
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:17,550
weekend of the Rendlesham forest

2411
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:20,490
incident where Jim says that he saw a

2412
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:23,010
black pyramidal craft and the other

2413
01:57:28,340 --> 01:57:24,960
pyramidal type crafts was seen in the

2414
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:28,350
air yeah by all the witnesses of the

2415
01:57:37,490 --> 01:57:34,050
tower or whatever so you know there's

2416
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:37,500
part of me that thinks that that was

2417
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:39,330
could have been ours and that they've

2418
01:57:46,670 --> 01:57:42,570
got this cloaking technology or power to

2419
01:57:50,150 --> 01:57:46,680
just appear out of thin air or appear to

2420
01:57:52,430 --> 01:57:50,160
appear out of thin air so and I know it

2421
01:57:55,820 --> 01:57:52,440
is massive but so was the castle on Jim

2422
01:57:59,170 --> 01:57:55,830
craft so at for me personally I cannot

2423
01:58:03,880 --> 01:57:59,180
account 100% girl I think that that was

2424
01:58:06,169 --> 01:58:03,890
alien or interdimensional 50/50 but

2425
01:58:08,030 --> 01:58:06,179
that's because of other end

2426
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:08,040
have happened in the past and they

2427
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:12,810
happened nearly 40 years ago so how far

2428
01:58:19,220 --> 01:58:16,650
have they come in tweaking these you

2429
01:58:24,290 --> 01:58:19,230
know giant black pyramid all know

2430
01:58:27,860 --> 01:58:24,300
something I mean they were bloody firing

2431
01:58:29,959 --> 01:58:27,870
on it in an area where there are people

2432
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:29,969
so why would they do that why in Wales

2433
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:32,730
when there's some so much of an expanse

2434
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:35,010
of land that they could be doing

2435
01:58:39,860 --> 01:58:37,650
whatever they wanted and nobody would

2436
01:58:42,260 --> 01:58:39,870
here I'll see a damn thing unless you

2437
01:58:45,290 --> 01:58:42,270
watch Walker are camper in the middle of

2438
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:45,300
nowhere this well the interesting thing

2439
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:48,330
with them is what I mentioned and beyond

2440
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:50,400
this one and of all the other cases I've

2441
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:52,080
seen this seems to be the only one that

2442
01:58:57,260 --> 01:58:53,250
didn't have any sort of military

2443
01:58:58,610 --> 01:58:57,270
involvement and there may be a reason

2444
01:59:00,050 --> 01:58:58,620
why the military were not involved in

2445
01:59:03,500 --> 01:59:00,060
that I didn't stick it in my video but

2446
01:59:05,870 --> 01:59:03,510
it came across my notes every now and

2447
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:05,880
again there's a mountain range called

2448
01:59:12,709 --> 01:59:10,770
the collodion ranges they're well know

2449
01:59:14,270 --> 01:59:12,719
this information came from an interview

2450
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:14,280
with Gary row when I went up there was

2451
01:59:19,610 --> 01:59:16,530
so fun in April last year he said the

2452
01:59:23,570 --> 01:59:19,620
Quarian range acts like a shield against

2453
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:23,580
radar for these UFOs you know they kind

2454
01:59:28,370 --> 01:59:25,050
of use it as a means of not being

2455
01:59:31,100 --> 01:59:28,380
detected because I mean if this thing

2456
01:59:33,410 --> 01:59:31,110
was there I can imagine the the RAF for

2457
01:59:35,330 --> 01:59:33,420
that area to be on it in no time

2458
01:59:36,740 --> 01:59:35,340
you know because you always hear the

2459
01:59:38,180 --> 01:59:36,750
story something appears and then how

2460
01:59:39,649 --> 01:59:38,190
also in black helicopters and planes

2461
01:59:41,419 --> 01:59:39,659
appear out of nowhere to come and chance

2462
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:41,429
to give chest - it'll come into the area

2463
01:59:50,030 --> 01:59:47,280
suddenly you know where we were and

2464
01:59:54,140 --> 01:59:50,040
where we were looking at where where it

2465
01:59:55,610 --> 01:59:54,150
first was and it zigzags waters then I

2466
01:59:57,080 --> 01:59:55,620
kind of wondered I thought what is the

2467
01:59:59,120 --> 01:59:57,090
layout of the land now it's like

2468
02:00:02,240 --> 01:59:59,130
following some sort of contour maybe

2469
02:00:05,060 --> 02:00:02,250
some valley are you know because these

2470
02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:05,070
glacial valleys have been farmed by our

2471
02:00:13,939 --> 02:00:09,650
slicing through them often kind of like

2472
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:13,949
the base of them is zigzaggy and i

2473
02:00:18,620 --> 02:00:16,320
wondered if that was the case but I

2474
02:00:22,340 --> 02:00:18,630
really haven't studied

2475
02:00:24,050 --> 02:00:22,350
the area are you know I know that

2476
02:00:25,970 --> 02:00:24,060
there's mines there apparently there's

2477
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:25,980
copper mines in the area that somebody

2478
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:31,440
told me once this caves there there's

2479
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:35,370
copper mines there I mean one thing that

2480
02:00:42,890 --> 02:00:39,210
I mean in the one thing that I also and

2481
02:00:46,040 --> 02:00:42,900
I find interesting people in the UFL

2482
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:46,050
communities you know they look at least

2483
02:00:49,870 --> 02:00:47,370
some of them studied the ley lines of

2484
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:49,880
the world yeah

2485
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:52,050
I'm sort of inclined to believe there's

2486
02:00:55,370 --> 02:00:53,850
something to this actually because when

2487
02:00:56,860 --> 02:00:55,380
I look at where the are the points are

2488
02:00:59,390 --> 02:00:56,870
the trick points are you know these like

2489
02:01:02,420 --> 02:00:59,400
concrete pillar things they have on top

2490
02:01:03,410 --> 02:01:02,430
of mountains yeah so you know yeah yeah

2491
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:03,420
yeah

2492
02:01:05,900 --> 02:01:04,890
you know they sometimes in our burial

2493
02:01:07,310 --> 02:01:05,910
mounds that sometimes they don't height

2494
02:01:09,410 --> 02:01:07,320
peaks in mountains around the country

2495
02:01:10,910 --> 02:01:09,420
but there's a whole series of them that

2496
02:01:12,500 --> 02:01:10,920
run right across the north of us and

2497
02:01:18,910 --> 02:01:12,510
they call right through dam be all the

2498
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:21,320
all kinds of ley lines but I mean there

2499
02:01:24,860 --> 02:01:23,040
are some really strong ones right you

2500
02:01:27,310 --> 02:01:24,870
know you could call them mean the main

2501
02:01:31,190 --> 02:01:27,320
channels of the energy lines if you will

2502
02:01:34,250 --> 02:01:31,200
they run through gambi they run through

2503
02:01:40,190 --> 02:01:34,260
Cardiff as work area so you know two big

2504
02:01:55,130 --> 02:01:40,200
massive chaos isn't the church in front

2505
02:01:57,290 --> 02:01:55,140
of me and it runs through what's

2506
02:01:58,550 --> 02:01:57,300
interesting as well as I'm Debby I

2507
02:02:01,850 --> 02:01:58,560
didn't get a chance to mention this

2508
02:02:03,230 --> 02:02:01,860
before is you know if David Williams

2509
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:03,240
if you listen to him he talks about

2510
02:02:10,340 --> 02:02:06,410
seeing the lights a week or two before

2511
02:02:12,830 --> 02:02:10,350
and there was a somebody reported a

2512
02:02:16,100 --> 02:02:12,840
video on Denby I think the YouTube

2513
02:02:18,380 --> 02:02:16,110
channels Demi Vince he reported a

2514
02:02:19,700 --> 02:02:18,390
sighting as well it took a picture of

2515
02:02:21,650 --> 02:02:19,710
something very interested in or the

2516
02:02:26,710 --> 02:02:21,660
Claudian range and that was just two

2517
02:02:29,690 --> 02:02:26,720
months after and there have been

2518
02:02:32,220 --> 02:02:29,700
disc-shaped reports of craft near the

2519
02:02:33,870 --> 02:02:32,230
castle that NB castle which you

2520
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:33,880
actually see from the kaha Warfield's

2521
02:02:38,700 --> 02:02:35,530
it's not that far away as far as you

2522
02:02:40,350 --> 02:02:38,710
know the crow flies as you say it's only

2523
02:02:42,780 --> 02:02:40,360
a couple of it's like a couple hundred

2524
02:02:46,260 --> 02:02:42,790
meters you know away from the house but

2525
02:02:58,680 --> 02:02:46,270
some driver wrong wrong a lot of winding

2526
02:03:00,840 --> 02:02:58,690
rules in Northwest get there now we've

2527
02:03:02,070 --> 02:03:00,850
got drones I wonder if you could it's

2528
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:02,080
still gonna be difficult to kind of

2529
02:03:05,190 --> 02:03:03,520
figure out where it was if unless the

2530
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:05,200
drone was the same size as the craft it

2531
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:08,450
was seen so that was a that was an on

2532
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:16,830
some laser pointers up in the night rain

2533
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:18,730
and see if you can match the size I mean

2534
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:22,930
but well you know it's really

2535
02:03:32,460 --> 02:03:29,970
interesting it really like your approach

2536
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:32,470
and I think that you've put things

2537
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:34,390
together really well for cars I think

2538
02:03:37,890 --> 02:03:35,770
you've put things together really well

2539
02:03:39,180 --> 02:03:37,900
for this family as well and I think the

2540
02:03:45,390 --> 02:03:39,190
video that you produced

2541
02:03:47,340 --> 02:03:45,400
it's actually really slick thank you I

2542
02:03:50,130 --> 02:03:47,350
might be bending your ear when I get on

2543
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:50,140
to things like that well I tell you

2544
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:52,210
something that people can do for

2545
02:03:56,760 --> 02:03:54,130
themselves in future for people like us

2546
02:03:58,440 --> 02:03:56,770
um I mean you know for me the reason why

2547
02:03:59,910 --> 02:03:58,450
these cases were so good as well was

2548
02:04:01,979 --> 02:03:59,920
because plenty of evidence was there

2549
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:01,989
from the beginning yeah you know they

2550
02:04:06,750 --> 02:04:05,050
obviously had their video and Peter got

2551
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:06,760
involved not long after so that was good

2552
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:08,170
you know I was not long after as much

2553
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:09,850
evidence as you can get in the beginning

2554
02:04:13,050 --> 02:04:11,410
days you know because cars and her

2555
02:04:15,870 --> 02:04:13,060
friends went to the fields in the woods

2556
02:04:23,970 --> 02:04:15,880
and got videos and evidence of things so

2557
02:04:25,470 --> 02:04:23,980
it makes it but you know witnesses but

2558
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:25,480
as much evidence as you can gather

2559
02:04:29,970 --> 02:04:28,570
anything you know if anybody wants

2560
02:04:31,260 --> 02:04:29,980
anybody in future to look at things not

2561
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:31,270
just people like me but those who do

2562
02:04:35,670 --> 02:04:33,370
investigate things you know it usually

2563
02:04:37,290 --> 02:04:35,680
helps if somebody can get stuff not long

2564
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:37,300
after it happens because then we've got

2565
02:04:41,130 --> 02:04:38,890
a solid you know there's a lot of things

2566
02:04:45,030 --> 02:04:41,140
we can work on yeah I actually was

2567
02:04:47,340 --> 02:04:45,040
thinking about putting together forensic

2568
02:04:49,140 --> 02:04:47,350
PACS for people who have had abduction

2569
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:49,150
experiences I've been exposed to

2570
02:04:58,370 --> 02:04:50,650
something like that you know to get hair

2571
02:05:07,110 --> 02:05:03,000
there's no way to to go with this stuff

2572
02:05:10,110 --> 02:05:07,120
you know I suppose we could find some

2573
02:05:12,390 --> 02:05:10,120
sort of I don't know lab that we could

2574
02:05:17,610 --> 02:05:12,400
pay for that would analyze these

2575
02:05:23,850 --> 02:05:17,620
materials and if I know what you're

2576
02:05:25,500 --> 02:05:23,860
using it this is where we fall down and

2577
02:05:30,810 --> 02:05:25,510
it's these things are a great idea you

2578
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:30,820
know like forensic ly speaking to you

2579
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:34,450
know have skin samples blood samples

2580
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:39,520
urine samples hair samples but then then

2581
02:05:42,930 --> 02:05:40,450
what you do with it

2582
02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:42,940
we're just stuck and so people complain

2583
02:05:46,500 --> 02:05:44,320
that there isn't enough evidence but

2584
02:05:51,170 --> 02:05:46,510
then we know it's not like we don't

2585
02:05:55,170 --> 02:05:53,430
scientific as possible with it but then

2586
02:05:57,450 --> 02:05:55,180
you know the scientific community or

2587
02:06:09,810 --> 02:05:57,460
even one so many the scientific analysis

2588
02:06:12,660 --> 02:06:09,820
will not look at that kind of thing and

2589
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:12,670
I also think that will cut down the

2590
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:19,690
number of liars as well because yes some

2591
02:06:22,860 --> 02:06:21,490
sort of scientific basis to go on as

2592
02:06:25,530 --> 02:06:22,870
well you know what's normal and what

2593
02:06:33,450 --> 02:06:25,540
should be found in genuine abduction

2594
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:33,460
scenario cases you know these

2595
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:35,530
experiences is there anything different

2596
02:06:41,490 --> 02:06:39,610
about us you know like the norm but then

2597
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:41,500
we'd have to have a big study section of

2598
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:43,330
people who didn't have any experiences

2599
02:06:47,880 --> 02:06:46,450
they would be willing to you know be

2600
02:06:51,560 --> 02:06:47,890
guinea pigs as well so that we'd have

2601
02:06:54,630 --> 02:06:51,570
some sort of way to compare things but

2602
02:06:55,540 --> 02:06:54,640
yeah anyway we actually at the end of

2603
02:07:02,460 --> 02:06:55,550
the show now

2604
02:07:09,189 --> 02:07:05,430
[Music]

2605
02:07:11,939 --> 02:07:09,199
well done a sterling job and for people

2606
02:07:18,430 --> 02:07:11,949
who want to see it is bit shoot be a t

2607
02:07:23,169 --> 02:07:18,440
CH ute and it's Denverites de and b IG h

2608
02:07:25,930 --> 02:07:23,179
and likes everyone else smell that yeah

2609
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:25,940
today of anything else that goes on or

2610
02:07:28,810 --> 02:07:27,440
anything else that comes to you and

2611
02:07:30,250 --> 02:07:28,820
you're always welcome back on the show

2612
02:07:33,010 --> 02:07:30,260
if you've got anything to say just let

2613
02:07:36,660 --> 02:07:33,020
me know another I know there's gonna be

2614
02:07:39,310 --> 02:07:36,670
naysayers but people usually follow me

2615
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:39,320
into this kind of thing and we're not

2616
02:07:43,450 --> 02:07:40,400
all so dismissive

2617
02:07:46,270 --> 02:07:43,460
you know we can accept things for what

2618
02:07:48,129 --> 02:07:46,280
they are and I think that yeah you've

2619
02:07:49,660 --> 02:07:48,139
done an excellent job on this and I'm

2620
02:07:51,010 --> 02:07:49,670
gonna watch the rest of the video and I

2621
02:07:52,959 --> 02:07:51,020
think I might even do a little blog

2622
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:52,969
about it actually is get some of our

2623
02:08:04,660 --> 02:07:56,570
eyes on it because you know I think we

2624
02:08:07,450 --> 02:08:04,670
should all nurture each other the family

2625
02:08:08,890 --> 02:08:07,460
itself some of the genuine interest that

2626
02:08:15,220 --> 02:08:08,900
it's needed you know because they've had

2627
02:08:17,319 --> 02:08:15,230
the plastic as well so you know the

2628
02:08:18,790 --> 02:08:17,329
whole family of four they deserve Linda

2629
02:08:20,740 --> 02:08:18,800
Prichard Nathan and Alex Thomas and

2630
02:08:22,060 --> 02:08:20,750
Kiraly George they all deserve metals as

2631
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:22,070
far as I'm concerned because they've

2632
02:08:26,979 --> 02:08:23,570
been willing to go this far with it I

2633
02:08:28,930 --> 02:08:26,989
think people don't see the ticket alpha

2634
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:28,940
gram it's so much now and they don't see

2635
02:08:32,530 --> 02:08:30,650
that to me it's like when somebody

2636
02:08:34,479 --> 02:08:32,540
shares something knowing what it takes

2637
02:08:35,439 --> 02:08:34,489
and what you have to go through that you

2638
02:08:38,410 --> 02:08:35,449
don't know it's going to happen when you

2639
02:08:40,180 --> 02:08:38,420
first speak out but and also because

2640
02:08:42,370 --> 02:08:40,190
it's somebody's life experience it's

2641
02:08:44,799 --> 02:08:42,380
actually an honor so if we told these

2642
02:08:47,020 --> 02:08:44,809
and you know to have these things shared

2643
02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:47,030
with us it's not our right like people

2644
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:49,250
that do it well prove it then it's like

2645
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,079
hang on a minute this is this is

2646
02:08:59,799 --> 02:08:56,960
somebody's life so and it's not all

2647
02:09:02,919 --> 02:08:59,809
cases it's these are people and I think

2648
02:09:06,990 --> 02:09:02,929
a little bit my respects and you know

2649
02:09:17,610 --> 02:09:14,730
it's just a bit of understanding it was

2650
02:09:21,810 --> 02:09:17,620
an unusual event and we have to accept

2651
02:09:24,540 --> 02:09:21,820
that people's perceptions as valid as

2652
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:24,550
anything and that like for me like I

2653
02:09:29,340 --> 02:09:27,250
said before when we saw that UFO it was

2654
02:09:38,760 --> 02:09:29,350
aliens but now I think well maybe it

2655
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:38,770
wasn't there excellent all I know is

2656
02:09:43,860 --> 02:09:41,130
they really kind of melted our heads

2657
02:09:48,150 --> 02:09:43,870
because we're told this stuff doesn't

2658
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:48,160
exist but it blatantly does yeah thank

2659
02:09:51,810 --> 02:09:50,290
you for coming on Gary Thank You Sasha